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SOWNY » The AM Song Version Vs. The FM Song Version. Is Longer Better? » November 11, 2025 11:45 am

mace wrote:

Did CHUM/CKFH/CKOC ever speed up the records they played?

I wonder if CKOC played records slightly slower (if not by design), perhaps because the pitch was maladjusted.  I seem to remember some tracks at a slightly lower key.  These extended to the carted up selections during chart runs too.  I wonder if anyone in the know could chime in.

SOWNY » RIP Vic Cummings » November 8, 2025 10:57 am

He was hilarious back in the early 80s when the Y&R was still on CHCH.  He would mock the characters like Victor Newman, during Community Happenings, halfway during the show.  A great era for CHCH, coupled with TV 11 Newsroom.

SOWNY » Jays (Don't) Win! » November 3, 2025 5:46 pm

torontostan wrote:

Very good chance the 2026 season does not happen

How so?
 

SOWNY » The AM Song Version Vs. The FM Song Version. Is Longer Better? » October 27, 2025 1:25 pm

Binson Echorec wrote:

@Jody - I don't entirely disagree but I feel you're approaching this from a jukebox-esque perspective, where you're hearing individually isolated songs on their own, outside of its album context. And that's okay.

I'm coming from a much more album-oriented angle. When I put on an album I listen to it from front to back, so I want to hear it untainted, as the artists envisioned it. Song sequencing was an art form once.

I guess I've always treated the radio edits of songs as "testers". If I liked a 3-minute tune on the radio and later found out there was a longer version available somewhere, then I was determined to seek it out.

For some reason, a 9-minute version of Bowie's "Cat People (Putting Out Fire)" was released in Australia only. Does it add much to the song? Probably not. Doesn't make me love it any less.

Absolutely, I'm coming from hearing a variety of music mixed together, not listening to an LP side.  I do love that too however, especially for progressive rock titles.  But when listening to a mix of music, I enjoy hearing the songs the way they were promoted during their chart run.

However, mixing the two listening styles together, you may recall that 1050 CHUM (during its punk/rock heavy) era from 1978 through to maybe 1983, they played hits, but mostly used LP versions.  I enjoyed this somewhat, but sometimes missed the single versions, because they were more familiar.  The other thing is that many single versions contain different mixes than the LP version.  If the album had a longer version of the single mix, I might ever prefer that, because of the familiarity.  Does that make sense at all? 
 

SOWNY » The AM Song Version Vs. The FM Song Version. Is Longer Better? » October 27, 2025 12:33 pm

mace wrote:

In some cases the LP version is split into parts 1 and 2 on the 45. Eric Burdon did this on Sky Pilot. I have the LP version of Whole Lotta Love on a 45. All 5;33 on the A side.

Similarly to "MacArthur's Park", these singles usually lower the modulation level and squeeze the grooves closer together.  I can't speak for your Zeppelin 45-rpm disc, but Richard Harris' 1972 RCA re-issue was awful for this reason.

What I REALLY wish, was that we followed the US's lead on promo singles in the 70s and 80s.  Many of them were released as 12" promo singles, just like extended dance songs were commercially.  However, these 12" singles were just the radio versions (and sometimes, the LP version on the flip-side.  They were quieter surfaced, louder and more dynamic.  Plus you had the grooves spaced out enough in the first two-thirds of the side, so that tracking error was less.

I know WEA released some of these for Blue Rodeo and One to One, here in Canada, but the US did so for much longer.

SOWNY » The AM Song Version Vs. The FM Song Version. Is Longer Better? » October 27, 2025 11:28 am

Binson Echorec wrote:

I have always been a fan of the longer, unedited album version of a song as that was the vision of the creators. Did my best to never play edits when working in FM radio.

Tangentially, I'm also not crazy about censoring swear words in songs, especially when the song has been airing unedited for years and the censoring is done only because we've recently become worried someone might take offense.

I'm of the opposite though with Rough Trade's "Highschool Confidential".  I find that hearing "cream my jeans" in a public place seems odd (and I'm no prude), especially if it's a small, upscale supermarket.  Yikes!

I find single mixes are usually more to my liking, because THAT was heard more commonly on hit radio during its chart run.  I miss the single versions of these songs, and actually prefer them:

Phil Collins - In the Air Tonight (also used in the video)
Wham! - Everything She Wants (it's actually longer, being edited from the 12" single)

Then there are songs that I think really benefit from editing.  RA brought up one example of the Doors, with Light My Fire.  When I hear the LP version, I think, get on with it already.  Same with the LP edit of Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride".  Now this one is different.  The charting promo mono single was from ABC/Dunhill, and contained a complete vocal retake (awful in my opinion).  However, MCA records made a better edit of the instrumental part, and that's what you hear on some classic rock stations now.  It gets to the meat of the song, without feeling as though you missed anything.

Notice whenever Simple Minds' "Don't You Forget About Me" is aired, even on classic rock stations, the radio edit is played?  The LP version just doesn't add anything compelling to the song.  Editing really can improve some songs.

SOWNY » AM Interference Doesn't Have To Kill The Band: Expert » October 17, 2025 5:01 pm

andysradio wrote:

I don’t see how changing the bandwidth will reduce radio interference much to the listener. In fact the change would render a lot of radios as junk especially in cars if the spacing was changed.

The main interference on the listener side is modern day electronics. On the broadcaster side, and this is applicable to the states especially, is that there are way to many AM stations. Many are zombie AMs being superseded by FM. If fully half of American AM stations went dark, interference would drop significantly.

I don't think they mean to redistribute the frequencies or change the frequency spacing.  I was only asking about 9 KHz spacing overseas, because each station would occupy less bandwidth.  I wondered if that affected reception there, but I don't think it's an even comparison.

However, reducing AM bandwidth would not obsolete current radios.  In fact, with narrow band AM receivers that most of us have, you'd hear no difference.  The response limit is usually 3 KHz at the best.  Normally the only benefit for narrow bandwidth would be improved selectivity of a weaker signal, next to a strong one.
 

SOWNY » AM Interference Doesn't Have To Kill The Band: Expert » October 17, 2025 3:08 pm

But is that with less bandwith?  How does 9 KHz spacing perform overseas?

I know that a lot iHeart/Clear Channel stations states-side limited their bandwidth to 5 KHz.  I think that was done in the early 2000s, but if someone knows better, chime in.

SOWNY » Founding KISS Member Ace Frehley Dies At 74 » October 16, 2025 8:18 pm

That reminds me of the lead singer of Prism.  Didn't he have a similar experience in the mid 80s, but didn't know how bad it was right away.
 

SOWNY » Rhino Releasing Pre-recorded Reel to Reel Tapes Again ! » October 13, 2025 9:08 am

RadioActive wrote:

Unfortunately, it doesn't look Ring would be able to help me if I run into trouble.

This is on their website:

"We no longer handle speaker, cassette or open-reel tape repairs."
 

Unfortunately, tape decks have become a BIG NO NO with repair guys.  I purchased a second hand Onkyo deck from about 1982 (one of those era-transitioning decks where you still had VU meters, but a logic-controlled transport.)  I bought it from Howard Stereo/TV and it ate tapes.  They admitted they could only do a partial repair, due to lack of available parts.  Apparently there is someone in Ohio that may be able to fix it, so I'll be on the lookout for someone else to fix it.  It's a lovely, well-conditioned deck.

The problem is though, it's difficult to quote repair prices for deck repairs because, even if you can get a parts deck to get otherwise unavailable parts out of, they also may be out of spec.  The man-hours involved could be insane, and the repairs would be more expensive than the deck is worth.  You had better love the tape deck, if you can even convince someone to repair it for you, but also be ready to pay hundreds for the repair.
 

SOWNY » Dr. Demento Announces Retirement After Last Show » October 13, 2025 9:01 am

Fitz wrote:

That's too kind and I think there's a few others that fit that bill. 

... and Dale P
 

SOWNY » Dr. Demento Announces Retirement After Last Show » October 13, 2025 8:22 am

Fitz wrote:

I know for a fact that  "Johnny Spadina" started the Pink Flamingo room on Q but I don't recall an official confirmation that he was John Morris. I know of at least one person who would know as they were at both stations around this time but they don't post here and perhaps I should reach out to them. 

Perhaps I'm confusing the Comedy Bowl being hosted by Ted, and then leading into Pink Flamingo Room.  That could be the case.  Anyway, perhaps someone else knows.
 

SOWNY » Dr. Demento Announces Retirement After Last Show » October 13, 2025 8:04 am

Fitz wrote:

Not sure if this will help but I dug up one of my own recordings and here's a very short snip of John Morris on CFNY from 1978.
John Morris 1978 CFNY
 

Yeah the voice does ring familiar.  Wow you are the encyclopedic master of airchecks.

SOWNY » Dr. Demento Announces Retirement After Last Show » October 13, 2025 7:31 am

Fitz wrote:

What I do remember is that the Pink Flamingo room was started by another NY alum. John Morris using the name Johnny Spadina. Possible that Ted W took it over later. No one at the time confirmed that Morris on CFNY was Spadina at Q but the voice was unmistakable.

Hmmmm ... I seem to remember hearing the name Johnny Spadina, but I can't be sure.  I remembered hearing Woloshyn Sunday nights in 1983 or 1984.  Maybe some Q people can chime in.
 

SOWNY » Rhino Releasing Pre-recorded Reel to Reel Tapes Again ! » October 12, 2025 4:29 pm

Fitz wrote:

A bit confusing for those that are not familiar with reel to reel. 

Oh I get it .  I just always thought that on half-track, the track widths were always half of the tape wide (so 1/8").  I only had a 7" quarter-track Sony machine at home, which I sold years ago, and then used half-track Revox machines at work.  I never interchanged tapes.
 

SOWNY » Rhino Releasing Pre-recorded Reel to Reel Tapes Again ! » October 12, 2025 10:53 am

RadioActive wrote:

a Teac X-1000M, speeds 7½ and 15 ips.)

That's a fine machine
 

SOWNY » Rhino Releasing Pre-recorded Reel to Reel Tapes Again ! » October 12, 2025 10:52 am

RadioActive wrote:

You can do half or full tracks, depending on the settings.

Hmmm ... I wonder how they manage the width of head gaps to accomplish that.  A quarter-track machine would be more like a cassette machine, except staggered head layout, no?  Anyone who can chime in on that?  I recall a pure half-track open-reel machine would have wider head gaps for each track.
 

SOWNY » Rhino Releasing Pre-recorded Reel to Reel Tapes Again ! » October 12, 2025 8:10 am

RadioActive wrote:

(speeds 7½ and 15 ips.)

Is yours a half-track machine?
 

SOWNY » Songs that were hits in Canada, but…. » October 4, 2025 8:45 pm

Chrisphen wrote:

Fine Young Cannibals were heavy rotation on stations like 99.9  and CHUM-FM for a few decades. I hope it feathered their nests appropriately.

Were these FM hit-to-non-hit ratio requirements at play?
 

SOWNY » Songs that were hits in Canada, but…. » October 4, 2025 12:09 pm

paterson1 wrote:

Most of these I remember and some you don't hear anymore.

Jon and Vangelis with the "Friends of Mr Cairo" also comes to mind.
 

SOWNY » U.S. Radio Station Faces Fines For Not I.D.-ing Itself » September 17, 2025 9:55 pm

Evuguy wrote:

Curious: Would anyone here recall back in the early 70's if WUTV was ever carried on the basic service (2 to 13) of any Canadian cable system?  In Toronto, the converter service had it (Rogers, circa 1974) but I can't recall ever seeing it offered on the basic line up. It seemed to be the 'tease' channel listed in the TV Guide that only people with antennas could receive.

In Stoney Creek, we had WUTV on cable channel 9 (since CFTO was on cable 8).  I'm trying to recall what the cable company was before Rogers bought up that zone in the 1980s (and later Cogeco)
 

SOWNY » The Sundance Kid has moved on » September 17, 2025 11:33 am

I liked The Candidate, with him and Peter Boyle.  Brubaker was really good too.

SOWNY » Defunct Radio & TV Headquarters For Sale Out West » September 16, 2025 4:07 pm

RadioActive wrote:

Tape editing is a lost art but I could do magic on those things, and the challenge just isn't there in computer editing, although the latter is admittedly easier, you don't need a grease pencil and there's no splicing tape!  But when you made the prefect edit on a tape - especially on the ones which didn't always come easy - there was a sense of satisfaction you got that was like nothing else. 

I really enjoyed editing on open reel too.  There was more of a "get it right the first time" mindset to editing that way.  The thing that I do prefer on digital editing is that if I want to layer another track over an existing mix, I won't get the added noise from bouncing tracks, like I did with open reel tape.

That said, half-track tape running at 15 IPS was pretty darned quiet.  And in my experiences with open reel tape, I never used any outboard noise reduction, so that's saying a lot.
 

SOWNY » Defunct Radio & TV Headquarters For Sale Out West » September 16, 2025 3:44 pm

I have to say I'm partial to the Revox PR-99 half-track machines.  Those were the silver-faced ones that seemed to share a lot in common with the older B-77.  They just recorded well, and sounded very natural (and neutral) to me.  I always preferred editing stuff at 15 IPS, and those Revox decks had good editing blocks, for my use any way.

I know when it comes to open reel machines, a lot of radio prod folk seem to like Otari decks.  I just find that the Revox PR-99's had a very simple and logical control layout.  Buttons were spaced apart nicely and the meters were legible.

Never got a chance to use an Ampex deck.  To both RA and FP, how did they sound?

SOWNY » Defunct Radio & TV Headquarters For Sale Out West » September 16, 2025 1:39 pm

RadioActive wrote:

Here are a few shots from the long abandoned interior. I love the old reel-to-reel machine in the last pic.

That's the cutest board console

SOWNY » Hugh Jackman As Neil Diamond In A New Movie? Well, Not Quite » September 10, 2025 4:19 pm

RonaldS wrote:

My ex-wife was (still is) a big Neil Diamond fan so I we went to see him in concert at the old Copps Coliseum in 1998.

Wow!  I was at that same concert!  Small world!
 

SOWNY » A Personal Message From Your Moderator » August 31, 2025 6:00 am

I'll keep you and Smiley's memory in my thoughts RA.  Last year, I had to say goodbye to my feline pal, Tisha, who was with me for nearly eighteen years.  She was nineteen when she passed on April 9, 2024, a day after my own birthday.  Heartbreaking, as she was indeed family.  And I can see Smiley was the same for you.
 

SOWNY » Ex-Police Bandmates Sue Sting Over "Every Breath You Take" Royalties » August 27, 2025 5:53 pm

Chrisphen wrote:

Sting can keep the royalties for Don't Stand so Close to Me '86. Easily the worst song of that decade.

I very much liked the original.  I also disliked the '86 remake, but I was glad I found it on a 12" single.  It included a reissue of the original track on the second side, and it used a quarter of the side to hold the track.  That means grooves were spaced apart nicely, and it was cut louder.  Man, did it sound REALLY good.

SOWNY » Ex-Police Bandmates Sue Sting Over "Every Breath You Take" Royalties » August 27, 2025 8:34 am

Paul Jeffries wrote:

The way I understand it, songwriting royalties and royalties from the recording of the song are two separate things. Copeland and Summers are alleging that they contributed to the writing of the song, but weren't actually given credit, and subsequently didn't receive any royalties that come from songwriting credits; eg., like when another artist covers your song.

It does seem rather strange that they waited 42 years after the fact to bring this suit to light, though.
PJ

I suppose in the case where the song was sampled in the mid 90s (was it a Faith Evans song?), you only hear Andy and Stewart, since none of Sting's voice or lyrics were heard.  I could see a case for performance royalties there.  Otherwise, it seems they waited WAY TOO long to take any other action, at least to be taken seriously.

SOWNY » Ex-Police Bandmates Sue Sting Over "Every Breath You Take" Royalties » August 27, 2025 6:36 am

Wasn't Sting the composer?  In my mind, wouldn't the band mates have been paid by A&M as part of their contract, when they made their performances during recording, video production, and Synchronicity touring?  Then that's that ... isn't it?
 

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