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SOWNY » The Best NHL Announcers And Analysts Of All Time » Today 4:07 am

Pat Foley, Rick Jenerette and Joe Bowen are three that I don’t agree with but that list is otherwise spot on. It’s good to see Jim Robson who did simulcasts on TV and radio for years, on the list. He isn’t well known in central and eastern Canada but he did the Canadian call of Wayne Gretzky’s 802nd goal which passed Gordie Howe, and a Mike Bossy New York Islanders Stanley Cup winning goal in the early 80s.

SOWNY » Ay Carumba! When Did CH Get The Rights To TV's Longest Running Comedy? » Today 3:58 am

Tomas Barlow
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I believe Global had the Simpsons for a lengthy time as well. I remember they added “On Global” to the title card in comic sans.
I believe it went CHCH, Global, City, CHCH.

SOWNY » Conrad Black is the headline keynote at the WAB conference in June » Today 3:53 am

Tomas Barlow
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I’m glad to see some balance in the opinions of Conrad Black instead of the unanimous fawning that used to happen here a decade ago.

SOWNY » Conrad Black is the headline keynote at the WAB conference in June » Today 3:53 am

Tomas Barlow
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I’m glad to see some balance in the opinions of Conrad Black instead of the unanimous fawning that used to happen here a decade ago.

SOWNY » Paramount+/Peacock merger? » Today 3:48 am

The merged service would have less content in Canada.
Paramount+ already has far fewer options in Canada than the US.
In the US, you can watch your local CBS affiliate, as well as several other channels live. In Canada, you only get CBS’s online news channel.
In the US, you get hundreds of documentaries from the Smithsonian channel, almost none of which are available on the Canadian service. I’m sure there are other differences I hadn’t noticed.

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Today 3:34 am

Tomas Barlow
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RadioActive wrote:

Maybe I'm the only one who's noticed that AM 640 has changed their intro stingers to their traffic, news and weather openings. The musical notes are new, although the features they introduce remain the same.

I wonder how many listeners will even notice? I'm probably sensitive to it, because I was once asked to do the same thing at CFTR, back when they were still rocking. I never really understood the point of it, but they came to me and said 'we need a new intro to our newscasts, and we want you to find something that won't cost us anything!' (Some things never change!)

So I remember pouring over dozens of packages they'd already purchased, until I found what I thought was the perfect musical sting. It almost sounded like the notes were saying "CFTR." Luckily, they really liked the one I found and they used it for several years, even after I left. I used to think that little stinger meant I was still part of the place, even though I was long gone to take an opportunity at another Toronto station.

It's all cosmetic, of course, but I often wonder how they come to these decisions. A refresh of these things can't hurt I suppose, but really, how many people will even notice? If you're curious, you can hear them at the next traffic break (usually on the quarter hour) or at the top of the hour before the news. 

You don’t know why stations change intros and ID’s?  Seriously?
It’s to avoid sounding stale and old. If you let things get too far out of date you begin to sound like a parody of a radio station.
Two stations from the GTA that come to mind that were horribly out of date were KX 96 in Ajax and 680 News which both had news intros that sounded like 1980’s xylophone well into the mid 2010’s. They both sounded like something you’d hear on the Simpsons or Family Guy when they made fun of radio.

SOWNY » Will The Coming Solar Eclipse Be A Bonanza For Daytime DXers? » Today 1:52 am

turkeytop
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We'll still be in Florida then. Not in the path. Could I still expext some DX openings?

SOWNY » Will The Coming Solar Eclipse Be A Bonanza For Daytime DXers? » Today 1:42 am

Saul
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Marc1178 describes it well. If I can be at my DX site that day I'll be expecting stations from perhaps 500 miles away ... and trying to hear a few select closer-in types of target stations that have thus far evaded me...

SOWNY » Will The Coming Solar Eclipse Be A Bonanza For Daytime DXers? » Today 12:41 am

RadioActive
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Whatever comes in, if anything, you'll have to tune around quickly. According to this, the solar eclipse in and around the GTA won't last long. Not sure about the DX, but I have to assume when the celestial event ends, and daylight returns, everything will go back to normal.

SOWNY » Will The Coming Solar Eclipse Be A Bonanza For Daytime DXers? » Today 12:10 am

Marc1178
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WGR Buffalo will be heard near Dayton, OH over top of WKRC on 550. This will be the result of WGR being non directional at that time. 

1450 WLEC Sandusky, OH might be heard as far east as Fort Erie and Buffalo.
Same with 1490 WERE Cleveland Heights.

The interference from 1220 Cleveland towards CFAJ will be a daytime issue during that afternoon.

On 930 WBEN Buffalo will wipe out WEOL Elyria, OH not that far east of its normal coverage area.

In Canada the best location to hear the kind of rare DX will be down around Fort Erie. 
 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 11:37 pm

Jody Thornton wrote:

The news stinger I liked for CKOC was in the late 70s and into 1980.

"C-K-O-C ... News Radio ... Hamilton" (ner ner neeeer ner neer ner).  Then either Frank Lyn Cooper or Brent Sleightholm would appear

Right afterwards, would be the top hour ID, which was my favourite.  "From Hamilton ... Ontario's Music Leader ... C-K-O-C!"  (I wish I could find where they got that music from.  What jingle package did they have?


 

Now that you mention it Jody, I do remember another stinger being used for CKOC news in the late '70s, a little synthesizer-type stinger. I think the stinger/news ID I described maybe came around 1980 or so? My memory is getting a little foggy now (happens around this age!) and unfortunately, there's not a lot of CKOC airchecks on the web, as compared to other stations.


PJ
 

SOWNY » Zoomer Media Expands Again - But Not In Radio » Yesterday 10:52 pm

turkeytop
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paterson1 wrote:

 

Friends in Owen Sound are expecting the Owen Sound station to eventually be more or less a repeater of Collingwood which is largely a repeater of Toronto's CFMZ.  There is a fair bit of commonality between Owen Sound, Collingwood and Southern Georgian Bay.  Nobody else has a full time classical format in Grey/Bruce/Simcoe counties.  The area has a large arts community and CBC radio is popular. Evanov is also in the market with a Lite FM in Meaford. 

Lots of radio stations in an area that didn't have many not that long ago. 

For many years I lived in the Owen Sound area and always felt deprived when it came to radio. Since 1996 we've been living in London. It seems that now Owen Sound has a richer choice in Radio than we have in London.
 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 10:48 pm

Paul Jeffries wrote:

RadioActive wrote:

Wow. I had no idea that stinger I found in just a few hours to save me a lot of trouble was so memorable to so many!

Before this thread, I hadn't thought of it in years. 

The other news stinger that sticks out in my mind the most was the one used on CKOC during the '70s into the late '80s. I believe Ron Morey may have voiced that, as he was the voice of CKOC's station IDs during that time frame.

(Hopefully I can recreate it here in the theater of your minds without sounding too much like a fool!  )

The ID that went: "C-K-O-C...NEWS!!! (Stinger): Dah-DAH-Dah!!!...(Deedle-deedle-dee!...Deedle-deedle-dee!...Deedle-deedle-dee!...[fade])."

PJ
 

EDIT: I wrote this before seeing the other posts...lol

Wasn't that used first though on CKLW 20/20 News?  Maybe not.  The news stinger I liked for CKOC was in the late 70s and into 1980.

"C-K-O-C ... News Radio ... Hamilton" (ner ner neeeer ner neer ner).  Then either Frank Lyn Cooper or Brent Sleightholm would appear

Right afterwards, would be the top hour ID, which was my favourite.  "From Hamilton ... Ontario's Music Leader ... C-K-O-C!"  (I wish I could find where they got that music from.  What jingle package did they have?


 

SOWNY » CFOS Owen Sound FM Application Information On Website » Yesterday 10:47 pm

paterson1
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90 positive interventions of support.  Shows the value of a station being local and still serving the community.  Listened to CFOS earlier today and their 5pm news, weather, sports, business package was 14 minutes in length. 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 10:43 pm

RadioActive
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I'd seen that before but not for a while, and it was great to watch it again. I especially loved seeing and hearing my old friend Mark Dailey, who always spoke fondly of his time in that newsroom. I miss him to this day. 

SOWNY » Zoomer Media Expands Again - But Not In Radio » Yesterday 10:40 pm

paterson1
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 Moses will need to keep the group 2 music for a while until they apply to change the format for CJOS to classical.  Maybe the price was so low it was too hard to pass up even if Zoomer Media is looking elsewhere for their investments.

Friends in Owen Sound are expecting the Owen Sound station to eventually be more or less a repeater of Collingwood which is largely a repeater of Toronto's CFMZ.  There is a fair bit of commonality between Owen Sound, Collingwood and Southern Georgian Bay.  Nobody else has a full time classical format in Grey/Bruce/Simcoe counties.  The area has a large arts community and CBC radio is popular. Evanov is also in the market with a Lite FM in Meaford. 

Lots of radio stations in an area that didn't have many not that long ago. 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 10:26 pm

RadioActive wrote:

Yes, that's the same one CKLW used, along with CHUM and I think possibly WKBW. A lot of Top 40 stations had that dynamic news intro.

Although few had the writing like in that 'LW aircheck. Like the lead with the kids who went fishing and caught something totally unexpected.

"It turned out to be a rotting body. Eyewitness Charles Evans tells the 20/20 hotline the stiff sank to the bottom..."

They don't write 'em like that anymore. And that's probably a good thing! But man, was it entertaining.

In this clip from the documentary "Radio Revolution - The Rise and Fall of The Big 8", the late great Dick Smyth as well as other news greats from that era at CKLW explain the approach. They were essentially rock 'n' roll disc jockeys without the rock 'n' roll.





PJ


 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 9:58 pm

RadioActive
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Yes, that's the same one CKLW used, along with CHUM and I think possibly WKBW. A lot of Top 40 stations had that dynamic news intro.

Although few had the writing like in that 'LW aircheck. Like the lead with the kids who went fishing and caught something totally unexpected.

"It turned out to be a rotting body. Eyewitness Charles Evans tells the 20/20 hotline the stiff sank to the bottom..."

They don't write 'em like that anymore. And that's probably a good thing! But man, was it entertaining.

CKLW in Windsor had notorious news broadcasts in 1970s  

SOWNY » Director Reveals 4 Separate Films On Each Beatle In The Works » Yesterday 9:47 pm

Mendes confirms that the Ringo Starr movie will consist largely of drum fills and extended smoking scenes as Ringo watches the rest of the band argue over lyrics.

https://thehardtimes.net/music/sam-mendes-ringo-movie-mostly-drum-fills-and-smoking-as-rest-of-band-argues/

SOWNY » Radio Giant Audacy Prepares To File For Bankruptcy » Yesterday 9:01 pm

RadioAaron
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Median house price in Buffalo is $170K

Median house price in Toronto is $1.06M

Even after currency conversion, a reporter in Buffalo making $37K is better off than one in Toronto making $80K

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 8:30 pm

Actually, here's a sample from 1983, right at the very end of this aircheck (around 1:14), although that doesn't sound like Ron Morey. Perhaps they started using a different voice around that time? Or was it the same voice all along? I can't recall now, but I do remember CKOC using this stinger for quite a number of years.





PJ
 

SOWNY » Zoomer Media Expands Again - But Not In Radio » Yesterday 8:24 pm

RadioActive
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It's becoming pretty clear Moses Znaimer doesn't think the future of his company is in either radio or TV. He's betting a lot on digital instead. Which explains the acquisition announced Tuesday of something called "Curiocity," a website based in Alberta that covers a lot of local Edmonton and Calgary news and events. (I note the irony that it has the word "city" in its name.)

That adds to his existing storehouse of online publications, including BlogTO.

According to Moses:

“When I launched CityPulse in 1977, I said, “The best TV tells me what happened to me, today.” Now, digital is how Millennials and GenZ get their local info. With blogTO, we own local in Toronto and the GTA; with Daily Hive we own local in Vancouver and the GVA; and now with both Hive and the much-admired Curiocity, we own local in Calgary and Edmonton. Curiocity, along with Daily Hive and LudwigVan, also have contributors in Ottawa and Montreal."

I'd say the word "own" may be a bit much, but it's clear where the company sees the future of media and it's not broadcasting, although they did acquire one FM station in Owen Sound during Bell Media's fire sale earlier this month. 


ZoomerMedia announces acquisition of Curiocity amplifying its digital presence in Canada

 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 8:12 pm

RadioActive wrote:

Is this the one you remember?

Yup, that's it! Thanks, RA! 


PJ
 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 7:38 pm

RadioActive wrote:

Wow. I had no idea that stinger I found in just a few hours to save me a lot of trouble was so memorable to so many!

Before this thread, I hadn't thought of it in years. 

The other news stinger that sticks out in my mind the most was the one used on CKOC during the '70s into the late '80s. I believe Ron Morey may have voiced that, as he was the voice of CKOC's station IDs during that time frame.

(Hopefully I can recreate it here in the theater of your minds without sounding too much like a fool!  )

The ID that went: "C-K-O-C...NEWS!!! (Stinger): Dah-DAH-Dah!!!...(Deedle-deedle-dee!...Deedle-deedle-dee!...Deedle-deedle-dee!...[fade])."

1050 CHUM also used it for a while during their Favourites of Yesterday and Today format, although with just the stinger on its own, and the newscaster announcing 1050 CHUM news at the beginning of the cast. I also seem to recall hearing it on a few other stations as well.


PJ
 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 7:04 pm

RadioActive
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Wow. I had no idea that stinger I found in just a few hours to save me a lot of trouble was so memorable to so many!

Before this thread, I hadn't thought of it in years. 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 6:50 pm

Jody Thornton wrote:

Was that for the 68 second newsbreak?  Was it still being used in the early 80s?  That's the only I really remember.  Somehow, I recall hearing this on CFPL (Radio 98) in London around the same period.
 

RadioActive wrote:

Yes, it would have been that segment, around 1983 or so. 

That 68 Second Newsbreak stinger was the sound of my youth. 

I recall it being used as late as 1988, possibly early 1989, although that year would see the station using more "aggressive"-sounding IDs as they were going after a more youthful audience with the likes of Jesse & Gene on the air and then Tarzan Dan arriving shortly after.



PJ

SOWNY » Radio Giant Audacy Prepares To File For Bankruptcy » Yesterday 6:30 pm

RadioActive
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The Buffalo News has a thought-provoking column from Alan Pergament about what this might mean for WBEN-AM.

But perhaps far more eye opening is the story at the bottom of the page about the salaries being paid to some on air talent at WIVB. Buffalo may no longer be the biggest TV market, but I'm not sure you could live on what their current opening for a "multimedia journalist" pays. 

"It (the job qualifications) actually is a laugh-inducing list before you get to the punchline: the salary: $17.75 to $18.75 an hour.

In other words, you can make almost as much money as you would if you worked at a fast-food restaurant without the college degree that might have put you in debt.

 The hourly salary range requires an additional skill: math.

 The salary range is $36,420 to $38,500 a year, without overtime."

Wow. Rarely has being on TV paid so little. 

George Soros' purchase of debt of WBEN's owner sends shock waves in radio circles

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 6:19 pm

RadioActive
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There used to be a woman who was the head of graphics at our TV newsroom. One day (although it was months in the planning because a lot needed to be done) they completely changed the graphics that appeared on screen. And she actually said this to me: "The ratings go up when you change the graphics. Really. Surveys prove it!"

But I could never exactly find which survey or which viewers tuned in to see the graphics instead of the news.

And no, our ratings did not go up after that. 

SOWNY » AM 640 Tweaks Some On Air Stingers But Will Anyone Notice? » Yesterday 5:59 pm

TheWiz
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RadioActive wrote:

It's all cosmetic, of course, but I often wonder how they come to these decisions. A refresh of these things can't hurt I suppose, but really, how many people will even notice? If you're curious, you can hear them at the next traffic break (usually on the quarter hour) or at the top of the hour before the news. 

Some listeners notice these things and sometimes, are quite passionate about it. I remember many years ago the FAN decided to change their sports update intro music that had been in place for many years. The listener response was not favourable and the old intro music was back a couple weeks later.
 

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