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SOWNY » If WNED Depends On Cdn. Pledges, Why Is Their Site Geoblocked Here? » Today 9:24 am

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The answer to the question, of course, is rights, but there's another issue here. WNED arguably gets more money from Canadian pledges than from its own Western New York audience - hence the "Buffalo-Toronto" branding on their station IDs, which no one else down south does.

Yet, I went to watch a promo for the upcoming American Masters I referred to in a previous post, only to find out it was geoblocked - along with the rest of their video on the site. You can access the text, however. I know cross border rights are a big deal, and I have a VPN which allowed me to see what I wanted in the end, but not everyone does. And so my question: why should Canadians who support this station be able to watch it for free over-the-air, but not watch anything video-related  - not even a promo - online? 

I put that question to someone at WNED Monday morning, and they admitted they've been asked about this before. The answer seems to be that PBS - not WNED - is in control of the programming rights and they can't break that just for Canadians. (And they'd also have trouble figuring out who's trying to watch from their signal range in the GTA and who might be in say, Medicine Hat.)

She admitted it does seem unfair. But PBS has offered a remedy - and to no one's surprise, it involves money. They've created an entry bridge called "Passport." If a Canadian joins as a member for $60 a year ($5 a month) they're given access to this service, which does allow them to watch some - but not all - of the PBS offerings on Channel 17 online. 

If this interests you, there's more info here.

But I have to say, this still doesn't sit well with me on behalf of all the VPN-less would-be web viewers. Those across the border can watch all of this stuff for free, without spending a dime. We're charge

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Today 8:09 am

geo wrote:

If Roger Ashby or Freddy Vette (who else is left?) decides to play "Early in the Morning" they may rely on Billboard and play the version that charted there in '58 by the Rinky-Dinks which was a cover for Bobby Darin.   

An Ontario-Canadian might remark "I thought that was recorded by Buddy Holly".     Indeed, the version that charted on 1050 CHUM, also in '58, was by Buddy Holly.

They sound similar.    Which is superior?    Perhaps the version with which THE LISTENER is familiar is best, eh?   

>> Roger Ashby or Freddy Vette (who else is left?)

Pat St. John on Sirius '60s on 6 of course!
 

SOWNY » Rise & Fall Of A Radio Pioneer Tracked In PBS' American Masters » Today 8:02 am

Tq345
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I note that the voice of Winchell in the documentary is Stanley Tucci. He also played Winchell in an HBO movie of the same name in 1998. I really enjoyed it and would love to see it again.  It featured Paul Giamatti in one of his first big roles.

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Today 6:14 am

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There's dodgy exploitation comps featuring inferior versions of hits recorded by later versions of a band for sure but to expand on a point I had made earlier. In large part it comes down to a fan base that is looking for alternative or single mixes. Jody had pointed out that the original single mix of Magic Carpet Ride was different from the stereo album track that everyone is now used to and may think of as the original but it's not the original hit version. 

There's a literally thousands of comps highlighting the lost or alternate versions for good reason. Picture below is part of a Byrds comp on Sundazed that features more than 12 alternate or single mixes and in the case of one song the liner notes point out that the single mix is the superior one but most comps have included the inferior album version. In a sense what one may think of as the hit single version actually may not be.

https://lettheuniverseanswer.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Byrds-comp.jpg

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Today 1:49 am

Damian wrote:

I agree with RA and Dale that the relative youth of the show’s producer is probably the main reason.  Remember when Roger presold ‘A World Without Love’ by Peter and Gordon and then they played the Bobby Rydell version?
The real question may be ‘Why do record companies allow their compilation cds to be contaminated with alternate versions and outtakes?’

Good question. Could be a rights thing, maybe they couldn't get the rights to the original or the original cost too much. I don't know, that's just a guess.
 

SOWNY » Jon Pole Says MyFM Wants More Stations As Firm Blows Its Own Horn » Today 1:16 am

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Prod Guy wrote:

My FM is the audio equivalent of eating Shredded Wheat with skim milk. 

Are you actually saying that a better milk choice is needed? Or  to simply add sugar to the bowl?
 

SOWNY » Two Townhall's Tonight at Same Time. NBC Taking Some Heat » Yesterday 10:50 pm

Prod Guy
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To be fair NBC had a Biden town hall the week before and ABC had a Trump town hall on September 15th. There was equal opportunity to watch both candidates on both networks in the last month.

SOWNY » Jon Pole Says MyFM Wants More Stations As Firm Blows Its Own Horn » Yesterday 10:42 pm

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darcyh wrote:

I can receive three "My FM" stations; St Thomas, Strathroy and Exeter. They almost always have the same content with time blocks for local commercials, weather, news etc. I assume that's the successful formula to keep costs low. They tend to run fairly low power and cover towns that arguably could not support a full service operation. I do not ever recall hearing a live voice; even the news is canned. Never a time or temperature check.

Hats off to them for making it work.

Thank you.
I only know them as a listener and I find listening to these stations a real slog.  There's nothing but out of market voice tracks, especially on weekends. The music of their AC stations is bland with a lifeless voice doing extros on every song, and you won't even find any mention of the music on the websites.  It's like the music is an afterthought.  The top hour ID in one market had the emphasis on the wrong syllable of the town name for weeks after it launched according to a friend who was really excited to have a local station but switched back to the out of market stations they had listened to previously.  It keeps making a "growth list" despite adding roughly two employees each time they open a station and they just laid people off.  I don't understand the love affair other media seem to have with this company.  In any market with a competitor I find that the competitor does a better job of giving the listener some entertainment value.  My FM is the audio equivalent of eating Shredded Wheat with skim milk. 

SOWNY » CityPulse's smashing LiveEye truck » Yesterday 6:26 pm

RadioActive
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Mr. Honickman - it's a pleasure to have you join SOWNY. I'm sure there's a lot of City TV memories you can share if you're in the mood. 

Here's one that I was told about by a former co-worker of yours on a day when you were anchoring CityPulse at 6. He said it was one of those lazy summer days when there was nothing really going on. The producer - I think he said it was the late Clint Nickerson - had changed the lead about four times. But by 4:30, there was just nothing that stood out as a top story.

And then, like a gift from God, the skies opened up and brought down a huge storm, filled with lightning and thunder, the kind you only see in the heat of a summer day.

Nickerson instantly changed the lead to "Toronto hit by major storm," and the great shots of Mother Nature tearing through the city. Unfortunately for him, the storm didn't last long and by the time the opening credits rolled, it was over and the sun was back out. I'm told you asked him repeatedly to change the lead to something else, since there wasn't any more weather to talk about. But he refused, having nothing else to fall back on. 

And so you threatened to go on the air and say, "Good evening, it's raining. Now let's go out to David Onley on Queen St. where it's not raining!"

Of course you didn't and the show went on from there.

True? False? Anyway that's the story I heard and I thought it was hilarious.  

SOWNY » CityPulse's smashing LiveEye truck » Yesterday 5:14 pm

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Wow this discussion took me back in time.  The first Live Eye. Doing Intro's, extro's  and chats with Gord/Dina or Bill. How many times was I standing out in the cold, 30 seconds before they are supposed to come to me, with Cookie still working desperately to get that  elusive signal. Almost always, he would make sure it was there. It's with that truck we all learned how to do the the live "breathless", talk 2-3 minutes about what's happening behind you, and make sense doing so. I believe its why we were always so much better  than any other newsroom when it came to doing the live election shows, with the live hits from all the different locations.  Great history.  Great memories.    

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 5:14 pm

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RadioActive wrote:

Actually, I sometimes wish I could just hear a scoped version of the show. The stuff that Ashby says is often far more interesting to me than listening to the same oldies over and over. Unless he's playing something obscure, then it gets my attention.

Still a great show, but almost more because of when the music ISN'T playing than when it is. 

That's interesting, I like both the information and music.  I enjoy some of the more secondary hits that I haven't heard in years and some of the older cancon that never gets played.  What I have noticed is that quite a few of the requests on the show are B hits as well, which is interesting.

Some requests from listeners wouldn't normally see the light of day but Ashby to his credit will play it if he has it.   I am sure some people just would prefer to hear the hits and not the other stuff.  If Bell ever cancels his show, Ashby could find a home on CBC Radio or 740 with the program.  It's different and a little quirky,  and wouldn't sound out of place on CBC radio or Zoomer. 

SOWNY » Rise & Fall Of A Radio Pioneer Tracked In PBS' American Masters » Yesterday 5:06 pm

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A fictionalized WInchell is a character in "The Plot Against America" - the Phillip Roth novel turned HBO miniseries. In the 50s, Winchell became an arch-McCarthyist and a bully and his influence dwindled with McCarthy's fall.  Interestingly, he not only feuded with Ed Sullivan but, later, with Jack Paar. Winchell had alluded in his gossip column to Paar having marital difficulties and Paar retaliated by attacking WInchell relentlessly on the air - something most celebrities would have been too terrified to do several years earlier - and effectively ended Winchell's declining career. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2004/01/how-jack-paar-slew-walter-winchell.html

Reputedly, according to Larry King, by the 1970s Winchell who was no longer carried by any newspapers or magazines and whose radio show had ended long before, was reduced to typing out his column on mimeograph paper, making copies, and handing it out on the streetcorner. 

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 4:54 pm

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Damian wrote:

I agree with RA and Dale that the relative youth of the show’s producer is probably the main reason.  Remember when Roger presold ‘A World Without Love’ by Peter and Gordon and then they played the Bobby Rydell version?
The real question may be ‘Why do record companies allow their compilation cds to be contaminated with alternate versions and outtakes?’

The answer to your question is fan interest. While 12 song comps covering just the original hits will concentrate on those. There are many expanded editions. The Sundazed label specializes in releasing Mono and Stereo editions of the same album on one set with many extra cuts and outtakes. There is a demand for such among the hardcore fan base. There has been great demand for alternate takes of the Beatles and Apple has obliged.

In fact well before any of that there was the "One World" version of "Across the Universe" by the Beatles. The one with the chirping birds at the beginning and that was played regularly by CHUM FM and others. Different version than the one which appeared on Let it be and some say the better one.
 

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 4:47 pm

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Actually, I sometimes wish I could just hear a scoped version of the show. The stuff that Ashby says is often far more interesting to me than listening to the same oldies over and over. Unless he's playing something obscure, then it gets my attention.

Still a great show, but almost more because of when the music ISN'T playing than when it is. 

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 4:37 pm

geo
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Interesting that SOWNY participants REALLY listen to Ashby's offerings (not just "have it on" as background noize)

SOWNY » Rise & Fall Of A Radio Pioneer Tracked In PBS' American Masters » Yesterday 4:26 pm

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I'd forgotten about that. You're right - he did do the narration on that show. 

The preview text briefly mentions that he was in a huge war with Ed Sullivan. Before he became a TV show host, the latter was also a gossip columnist. And they absolutely despised each other. In his book, "A Thousand Sundays," about the Sullivan show, author Jerry Bowles relates how a guy in a high-end New York City nightclub went to the men's room one evening, opened the door, and encountered Sullivan - who was a large man - with Winchell's head stuffed in the urinal, madly flushing and re-flushing, as his arch nemesis tried to free himself from his grasp. 

The witness said he merely closed the door quietly and left. I doubt that will be in the documentary, but you never know!  

One more ridiculous thing. I remember once suggesting to our weather guy that he create an on-screen image-character for when it's really cold outside. I suggested he call him "Walter Wind Chill," but he was pretty sure no one would get the joke. He was probably right, it was way too long ago. But it was such a great pun, I couldn't resist. 

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 4:04 pm

Fitz
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paterson1 wrote:

geo wrote:

Dale Patterson wrote:

   Both Ashby and Vette are more likely to play the lesser-known version    

Now that Sirius Oldies, Stingray Oldies & even AM 740's top 10 @ 10:00/11:00 evidently rely heavily on Billboard (except of course for substantial doses of CanCon) it's arguable which version from 1958 is the one oldies listeners appreciate more than another

BOTTOM LINE:    DON'T TRUST ANYONE UNDER THIRTY
 

Well Ashby as far as I know mainly uses the CHUM chart for his program, and that is great.   CHUM's chart in some ways was superior to Billboard anyway, in my opinion.  Billboard tended to be more conservative, highlighting additional MOR cuts and CHUM's often was somewhat more rock/youth oriented.    The CHUM chart was never a mirror of Billboard and also reflected regional hits in the Toronto area.  Also showcasing non cancon songs that for whatever reason were more popular in Southern Ontario.

Usually Roger will mention if he is playing another version or first version of a song.  He did this with the Supremes months ago with the first version of I think Baby Love which Motown did release but quickly put out another version that upped Diana Ross' vocals.  This second release was the song that became the hit and heard on radio.    Not everyone will appreciate or like when he does this, but he usually offers an explanation, and sometimes doesn't play the whole cut.

 

He also played a track from the mostly demo quality Stones comp Metamorphosis. I think it might have been Heart of Stone and kudos to him for that as I don't believe that track would have aired on any other area commercial station.

SOWNY » Rise & Fall Of A Radio Pioneer Tracked In PBS' American Masters » Yesterday 4:02 pm

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I think most of my generation are most familiar with Walter Winchell from his narration on the ABC series, The Untouchables.

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 1:21 pm

RadioActive
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I don't completely disagree with you - I love hearing alternate versions of familiar songs by the same artist who made them famous. But it has to be intentional and it helps if the host notes they're doing it on purpose. Too often, it sounds like, "OK here's your request," and then they launch into a version that never made the charts. That's where I have an issue.

It quickly becomes clear that whoever is in charge either a) didn't bother listening to what they were putting on the air or b) wasn't familiar enough with the song to know the difference. 

Either way, Original Hank is correct in his earlier post - "original song/original artist is a must!"

SOWNY » Rise & Fall Of A Radio Pioneer Tracked In PBS' American Masters » Yesterday 1:18 pm

Thanks RA.  Just added it to this week's PVR list.

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 1:06 pm

paterson1
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geo wrote:

Dale Patterson wrote:

   Both Ashby and Vette are more likely to play the lesser-known version    

Now that Sirius Oldies, Stingray Oldies & even AM 740's top 10 @ 10:00/11:00 evidently rely heavily on Billboard (except of course for substantial doses of CanCon) it's arguable which version from 1958 is the one oldies listeners appreciate more than another

BOTTOM LINE:    DON'T TRUST ANYONE UNDER THIRTY
 

Well Ashby as far as I know mainly uses the CHUM chart for his program, and that is great.   CHUM's chart in some ways was superior to Billboard anyway, in my opinion.  Billboard tended to be more conservative, highlighting additional MOR cuts and CHUM's often was somewhat more rock/youth oriented.    The CHUM chart was never a mirror of Billboard and also reflected regional hits in the Toronto area.  Also showcasing non cancon songs that for whatever reason were more popular in Southern Ontario.

Usually Roger will mention if he is playing another version or first version of a song.  He did this with the Supremes months ago with the first version of I think Baby Love which Motown did release but quickly put out another version that upped Diana Ross' vocals.  This second release was the song that became the hit and heard on radio.    Not everyone will appreciate or like when he does this, but he usually offers an explanation, and sometimes doesn't play the whole cut.

 

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 1:05 pm

Damian
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I agree with RA and Dale that the relative youth of the show’s producer is probably the main reason.  Remember when Roger presold ‘A World Without Love’ by Peter and Gordon and then they played the Bobby Rydell version?
The real question may be ‘Why do record companies allow their compilation cds to be contaminated with alternate versions and outtakes?’

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 11:41 am

geo
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Dale Patterson wrote:

   Both Ashby and Vette are more likely to play the lesser-known version    

Now that Sirius Oldies, Stingray Oldies & even AM 740's top 10 @ 10:00/11:00 evidently rely heavily on Billboard (except of course for substantial doses of CanCon) it's arguable which version from 1958 is the one oldies listeners appreciate more than another

BOTTOM LINE:    DON'T TRUST ANYONE UNDER THIRTY
 

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 10:45 am

Fitz
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Am reminded about the convoluted and confusing history behind Mercy's Top 10 hit Love Can Make You Happy. The original was recorded on the Sundi label and as that was rising on the charts a different version was recorded for Warner's Bros and I think both may have been played through the years,

This version may be different from both the above but I post it b/c of the resemblance of a gent to Mr Spock and the corny 60's trappings. Not withstanding the almost pyjama suits,




 

SOWNY » Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From? » Yesterday 10:28 am

geo wrote:

If Roger Ashby or Freddy Vette (who else is left?) decides to play "Early in the Morning" they may rely on Billboard and play the version that charted there in '58 by the Rinky-Dinks which was a cover for Bobby Darin.   

An Ontario-Canadian might remark "I thought that was recorded by Buddy Holly".     Indeed, the version that charted on 1050 CHUM, also in '58, was by Buddy Holly.

They sound similar.    Which is superior?    Perhaps the version with which THE LISTENER is familiar is best, eh?   

Both Ashby and Vette are more likely to play the lesser-known version by the Rinky-Dinks, because they tend toward the lesser-played cuts. Just because it's better-known doesn't make it better.
 

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