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The same Matt Gurney who was saddled with Surpriya on 640? She was the kiss of death, and burned through him and poor old Stafford, before quitting and citing racism, misogyny, and the usual basket of PC complaints. She was also a terrible radio personality, which didn't help much.
LOL - you can't dunk on Supriya and not dunk on Gurney. They were a terrible idea as hosts and the only people who should be excoriated for it would be whoever it was in management that greenlit the move. Easily one of the most boring radio shows I've heard.
They both stunk, but she was toxic.
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The way CHML was shut down so suddenly left me wondering about a couple of questions. I don't think I heard anything about CHML being put up for sale. Did Corus try selling the station the way Bell unloaded a number of their AMs recently? And has Corus returned the license to the CRTC?
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They might have but Bell beat evidently beat them to it with their fire sale. I wonder if Corus approached CHIN about CHML after they claimed they would have been interested in CHAM or CKOC? I suspect CHIN may have just said that because Neeti Prakash Ray's CINA is a rival in the multilingual radio industry and they might have wanted to try to block CINA Radio Group, especially if there's a chance they'll start selling time on CHAM or CKOC to non-English broadcasters.
If anyone does want to enter the Hamilton AM market there's nothing stopping them from applying for a license and even buying an AM transmitter and other equipment from Corus. I doubt anyone is interested.
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Hansa wrote:
If anyone does want to enter the Hamilton AM market there's nothing stopping them from applying for a license and even buying an AM transmitter and other equipment from Corus. I doubt anyone is interested.
Except CRTC has put a temporary halt on new licences for two years.
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What does this mean for Roy Green? He did his show out of the CHML studios.
Green confirmed on Sunday that he was doing the show from Hamilton but was using the facilities of CKNW Vancouver for the technical side of things.
Already there's been a complication - he was just talking about the severe weather in Southern Ontario when his mic went dead in the middle of an interview. The guest was there but the host wasn't, which would not have happened had he been in his old haunt, the CHML studio.
The outage forced a producer in B.C. to come on air, explain what happened, and throw to an early commercial break as they tried to get the host back on and talking.
It apparently didn't work at first - they wound up replaying a previous hour's segment, as Green remained off air. It was a power failure that got him, but fortunately, they were able to get him back up and running within a few minutes. Good thing too - he was scheduled to grill newly appointed Senator Charles Adler in his last half hour on some of his former statements about what a waste the Canadian Senate is!
Now THAT I have to hear!
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RadioActive wrote:
Already there's been a complication - he was just talking about the severe weather in Southern Ontario when his mic went dead in the middle of an interview. The guest was there but the host wasn't, which would not have happened had he been in his old haunt, the CHML studio.
Did he specifically say he wasn't in the studio?
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No, he just said he was in Hamilton. But he did note by way of explanation that the power went out in the middle of his interview and I would think Corus Hamilton would have a power back-up, so I'm guessing he wasn't there.
And on Saturday's show, he told the audience something like this: "Last week, I was in the CHML master control studios, but now that they're off the air, we're doing it from elsewhere." He did not elaborate about where.
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Sadler used to be a hard-right radio host. Then, for some reason a few years ago, he changed his tune and became a progressive liberal. Would he have been given a lottery-for-life Senate appointment if he hadn't suddenly joined the Sunny Ways Singers? Not likely.
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No, he just said he was in Hamilton. But he did note by way of explanation that the power went out in the middle of his interview and I would think Corus Hamilton would have a power back-up, so I'm guessing he wasn't there.
And on Saturday's show, he told the audience something like this: "Last week, I was in the CHML master control studios, but now that they're off the air, we're doing it from elsewhere." He did not elaborate about where.
Maybe he's doing it from home? That would probably explain the lack of backup when the power went out.
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That's my guess, too. Which shows the danger of that when the occasional power problem happens. Fortunately, they're rare.
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New Licenses but not license transactions.
It may be too late for that?
Anyway, at this point, I wonder if 610 CKTB can now stress the idea that they are News/talk for St. Catharines/Niagara and Hamilton. If they can get away with it, they now have a larger ground to work with, knowing there is no longer a station in Hamilton to stomp all over.
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A former P.D. for two L.A. radio stations takes on the end of CHML, with some words of warning about the industry in general and predicts the shutdown and cutback regime will hit the FM band next. And he says there's no way to stop the coming onslaught.
"If CHML went to a streaming-only model, could it have made the kind of revenue that would support local talk programming and a full newsroom? Probably not. Could Corus have tried to create paid subscription content? We’ll never know if that would have worked...
"The damage is that a lot of people who are very good at their jobs are being let go and most of them will end up in other industries or just “on the beach.” And when that happens, there’ll be a few news stories about it and some wailing on radio message boards for a few weeks, and we’ll all move on."
OK, but as long as they keep coming to those "message boards!"
The Silent Treatment: AM Radio Takes Another Hit
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RadioActive wrote:
No, he just said he was in Hamilton. But he did note by way of explanation that the power went out in the middle of his interview and I would think Corus Hamilton would have a power back-up, so I'm guessing he wasn't there.
And on Saturday's show, he told the audience something like this: "Last week, I was in the CHML master control studios, but now that they're off the air, we're doing it from elsewhere." He did not elaborate about where.
I'd imagine Roy has a home set up left over from the pandemic.
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An overwrought reaction from the bleachers.
And for some context Stelco today employs less than 10% of its peak 26,000 payroll.
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It is a bit hysterical, but he's not wrong about the way some employees were told - or rather, weren't told.
A previous post indicates many found out on social media and had no idea their jobs had disappeared just hours before they were heading into work that day. The very least they were owed was to be told face-to-face as Zamperin was before they shut the whole thing down.
But that might involve decency and an ounce of humanity and I guess that's something else Corus can no longer afford, even though it would not have cost them a dime.
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Nice to hear Alex Pierson, fresh back from 2 weeks off, address the CHML sign-off, noting she started her career there while still in college, looking up in awe at some of the more experienced hosts who worked at the place.
She's the only Corus employee, with the exception of Roy Green, who actually went on the air and talked about what happened at the station. (I wonder how management feels about that?) She lamented the state of radio, while noting she used to have now Senator Charles Adler on her former evening show, wondering about how sincere his conversion from extreme conservative to a liberal booster really came about.
It was a five minute diatribe, and I'll be curious to see if it actually gets posted as part of her podcast.
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I decided to put up Pierson's CHML comments, in case you missed it and are curious to hear what she said.
It can be heard here.
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Now that CHML is silent, the closest station to the GTA on 900 is 1000 watt WBRV in Booneville, NY. which is about 35 miles north of Utica.
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John Hardy, who spent 22 years on air at CHML, laments the loss of the station, but wonders if it wasn't inevitable.
"They avoided the business basic that Corus, and particularly CHML, had been hemorrhaging advertising revenue for years.
The company conveniently masked the undisputable, hardcore business facts and figures which show that radio, especially AM radio, is doomed.
The David and Goliath crush of technology makes the business of traditional radio hopelessly unsustainable. Streaming is now a media basic and podcasts are hot talk radio."
CHML was everywhere with everybody
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CHML had a rather cool looking art deco building years ago.
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RadioActive wrote:
John Hardy, who spent 22 years on air at CHML, laments the loss of the station, but wonders if it wasn't inevitable.
"They avoided the business basic that Corus, and particularly CHML, had been hemorrhaging advertising revenue for years.
The company conveniently masked the undisputable, hardcore business facts and figures which show that radio, especially AM radio, is doomed.
The David and Goliath crush of technology makes the business of traditional radio hopelessly unsustainable. Streaming is now a media basic and podcasts are hot talk radio."
CHML was everywhere with everybody
Of course AM radio is doomed. No freaking surprise here. AM (as we know it) will end (fairly soon). So, eventually, will FM, and terrestrial radio as we know it. Radio is a delivery vehicle or packaging for content . Radio is still somewhat with us, and it still is somewhat viable. But it's all about the content, and making the content fit the packaging is imperative, as is using radio not only for the present but as a building block for the future, thus embedding new technologies on an ongoing basis. Transitions aren't easy, or at least we're not very good at making them. Witness, for example, the very awkward and jerky move to sustainable energy and transportation systems. The point isn't to shed tears for AM, or for radio; it's to get excited about innovating and developing what lies ahead.
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One challenge news orgs could take on would be developing and introducing properly mediated news and information services. Currently the online world is veering towards a world where nothing is fact checked and everything is believed, or at the very least very open to serious consideration with no earned merit.
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Saul wrote:
The point isn't to shed tears for AM, or for radio; it's to get excited about innovating and developing what lies ahead.
However, and even though I have shifted to mostly podcasts and YouTube for my entertainment, I don't agree on podcasting being the "new radio". Radio is a WEE bit more than just the delivery medium. There's a certain style of operation to it, and it's regulated. Podcasting can be listened to at one's convenience, repeated and can contain more long-form and thus relevant content.
You'll notice I do NOT get on the whole "Local, Local Local"! bandwagon anymore. There are weather, legitimate news sites and other places to get the information one needs. So when the "delivery" medium of radio dies, more will go with it that just how it's delivered. The idea of a newscast being a certain scheduled time, for example, seems increasingly quaint. Do I really need to hear the SAME pundits on another roundtable? Some of them I really like, but still, it's not imaginative radio. Podcasts, even ones that may lack broadcasting polish, are WAY more enjoyable.
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This is really bizarre but I just listened to the HD 3 on 95.3 FM which used to carry CHML and the RDS still lists the station and they are carrying the static from the AM signal from AM 900. Someone asleep at the wheel or is this a statement.
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I half expect the Mercanti / Andlauer / Bob Young types in Hamilton to organize themselves and ressurect 900CHML - to feature their sports properties.
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This is really bizarre but I just listened to the HD 3 on 95.3 FM which used to carry CHML and the RDS still lists the station and they are carrying the static from the AM signal from AM 900. Someone asleep at the wheel or is this a statement.
Or maybe Corus fired the person in charge of that.
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I actually discovered this in the car yesterday while preparing to delete both 820 and the HD3 feed from CING on my radio. Couldn't help but notice, though, that the static was crystal clear and in stereo!
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Jody Thornton wrote:
I don't agree on podcasting being the "new radio". Radio is a WEE bit more than just the delivery medium. There's a certain style of operation to it, and it's regulated. Podcasting can be listened to at one's convenience, repeated and can contain more long-form and thus relevant content.
You'll notice I do NOT get on the whole "Local, Local Local"! bandwagon anymore. There are weather, legitimate news sites and other places to get the information one needs.
I have to agree somewhat with your comment about podcasting not being the "new radio", although I think what John was trying to say is that radio used to have an intimacy and connection with listeners that, with a few rare exceptions, is all but gone from the airwaves these days. Podcasting has done a pretty good job of picking up that slack.
I also agree with your comments about not being on the "Local, local, local!" bandwagon anymore. Maybe 15 years ago radio could have stemmed the tide of declining listenership by focusing on local content, but I think for the most part, that ship has long left the dock and sailed. Also, good local content costs money. Lots of it. I have to chuckle a bit when some "visionaries" suggest something like "Let's get [insert seasoned announcer's name here] out of retirement and rebuild the station ourselves!" Yeah, well, seasoned announcer is most likely retired because they've had their fill of radio, and they're not likely going to be enticed out of retirement just for "the thrill of being on the air" (been there, done that), and getting paid like a college radio grad in the process. Granted, there might be a few, but they're not likely to be a dime a dozen, and there's the old adage "You get what you pay for."
Overall, I'd say John Hardy's commentary was pretty bang-on for the most part. I remember The Spectator ran an article when he was ousted out of 'ML in 1999, and he mentioned that the station was already forfeiting their commitment to local, as they were automated from Saturdays at noon until Mondays at 5:00am. When a heritage institution shuts the lights off, people's memories tend to hark back to "the good old days" and not what the business has become in its later lackluster years. "Hometown Radio" was more than just a sunny slogan for CHML during the '80s and early '90s; it was a way of life and a commitment to their audience that they did a superb job of fulfilling.
Oh, and by the way, I got a bit of a chuckle out of his remark about the "lame (former) program director". No comment there.
PJ
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I also agree with your comments about not being on the "Local, local, local!" bandwagon anymore. Maybe 15 years ago radio could have stemmed the tide of declining listenership by focusing on local content, but I think for the most part, that ship has long left the dock and sailed.
PJ
Also, the definition of "local" has shifted to communities of like-minded people sharing interests that are unconnected to their physical locations.
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