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December 13, 2023 12:39 pm  #1


CORUS QUAY

Bloomberg is reporting that a waterfront office complex has been sold by H & R REIT.

That is likely the bldg with Corus as the main tenant

 

 

December 13, 2023 2:11 pm  #2


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I don't understand. Renting instead of owning now? Or relocating? Or were they always renting with a new landlord now?


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

December 13, 2023 2:22 pm  #3


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Radiowiz wrote:

    were they always renting with a new landlord now?

That's evidently it.      Monthly cheque will evidently go to Mr. & Mrs. Roper
 

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December 13, 2023 3:12 pm  #4


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I don't know if Corus owned the building at one point or not but one trend in real estate over the past few years (actually decades) has been for corporations that own their HQs to monetize it by selling it to a property management company for a truckload of cash and then signing a long-term lease. Apparently the bean counters say this makes more economic sense than owning the building. Personally, I think it's always a good idea to own your own real estate but what do I know? Of course, sometimes this means you end up losing your building altogether after a few years which is what happened with the Toronto Sun which used to own 333 King Street East, then sold it (or rather Postmedia sold it) to a property manager and downsized to a floor or two of the building while renting the rest of the out, and then ultimately leaving it altogether to be be the National Post's downstairs neighbour in a rented building on Bloor. I think the National Post used to own their building in Don Mills and then lost it when Postmedia needed cash and decided to sell. 

 

December 13, 2023 3:22 pm  #5


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Isn't this what CBC/Radio-Canada has been doing for years. They sold off the land/buildings it used to own, and is either leasing back the space or have found new facilities to work out of. 

 

December 13, 2023 3:44 pm  #6


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Corus apparently had an option of a 40 year lease as the major tenant but no word on whether they ever took advantage or does it apply with new owners of the building. 

CBC built the facility at 250 Front St. and according to wiki still own the building but have leased out commercial space to Cadillac Fairview.  The building is also the headquarters for the North American Broadcasters Association and house ad agency Bensimon Byrne and affiliated companies.  Building and land is valued at over $300 million.  

CTV's site in Agincourt would fetch a good dollar, and also has a bit of land included too. Bell earlier this year sold their controlling share of Pinewood Studio on the waterfront, right after they built additional new studios and office space.   

 

December 13, 2023 3:46 pm  #7


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ED1 wrote:

Isn't this what CBC/Radio-Canada has been doing for years. They sold off the land/buildings it used to own, and is either leasing back the space or have found new facilities to work out of. 

Federal government overall has been on this path for quite a while.

 

December 13, 2023 3:47 pm  #8


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Hansa wrote:

   corporations that own their HQs monetize it by selling it to a property management company for a truckload of cash and then signing a long-term lease       

Property management companies seldom (if ever) have an ownership interest in buildings they manage; that's why they are called "property managers"



 

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December 13, 2023 5:32 pm  #10


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Maybe George Brown launches a broadcasting program in coordination with Corus?

 

December 13, 2023 5:37 pm  #11


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Nobody's launching a broadcast program anytime soon.

 

December 13, 2023 5:49 pm  #12


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R-S-T-L-N-E wrote:

Hansa wrote:

   corporations that own their HQs monetize it by selling it to a property management company for a truckload of cash and then signing a long-term lease       

Property management companies seldom (if ever) have an ownership interest in buildings they manage; that's why they are called "property managers"



 

Brookfield? 
 

 

December 13, 2023 5:52 pm  #13


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Binson Echorec wrote:

Maybe George Brown launches a broadcasting program in coordination with Corus?

More likely an expansion of George Brown's Waterfront Campus which is right next door. 
 

 

December 13, 2023 6:03 pm  #14


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Corus never owned the building.  Although designed for Corus, it was developed by the Toronto Port Lands Company (aka TEDCO aka Waterfront Toronto).  I believe Corus has a long-term lease agreement for virtually the entire building. They have sub-leased space to others including the PanAm Games in 2015.

 

December 14, 2023 8:34 am  #15


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December 14, 2023 9:52 am  #16


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Ok, so now we know Corus never owned the facility, but are long-term tenants. Is there any indication they're actually going to be relocating or downsizing or will they just continue as a tenant? 

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December 14, 2023 10:11 am  #17


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Hansa wrote:

   Is there any indication they're actually going to be relocating or downsizing or will they just continue as a tenant? 

The answer is in the lease document itself

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December 14, 2023 10:58 am  #18


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Hansa wrote:

Ok, so now we know Corus never owned the facility, but are long-term tenants. Is there any indication they're actually going to be relocating or downsizing or will they just continue as a tenant? 

Highly unlikely they would relocate.

There is a lot going on under the roof at 25 Dockiside.

It is home to Corus administrative offices, Q107, AM640, The Edge, and Nelvana Animation.  The Global Toronto morning show is shot there. Also, all of their TV properties including all OTA Global TV stations (recently moved from Calgary) and their multiple "specialty" channels (YTV, W, HGTV, Showcase, etc) originate from there.  Corus also operates a separate division that provides third party origination services for Element FM, TVO, TFO, AMI, TLN Media, and Zoomer Media TV channels.
 

 

December 14, 2023 3:12 pm  #19


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Hansa wrote:

 Brookfield?   

No connection whatsoever

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December 14, 2023 3:18 pm  #20


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In Phase wrote:

Hansa wrote:

Ok, so now we know Corus never owned the facility, but are long-term tenants. Is there any indication they're actually going to be relocating or downsizing or will they just continue as a tenant? 

Highly unlikely they would relocate.

There is a lot going on under the roof at 25 Dockiside.

It is home to Corus administrative offices, Q107, AM640, The Edge, and Nelvana Animation.  The Global Toronto morning show is shot there. Also, all of their TV properties including all OTA Global TV stations (recently moved from Calgary) and their multiple "specialty" channels (YTV, W, HGTV, Showcase, etc) originate from there.  Corus also operates a separate division that provides third party origination services for Element FM, TVO, TFO, AMI, TLN Media, and Zoomer Media TV channels.
 

Moving is all timing. Corus could easily move into the former City/Omni building @ Yonge & Dundas once their move to One Mount Pleasant is complete...space pending.  

Last edited by Radiowiz (December 14, 2023 3:19 pm)


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

December 14, 2023 3:34 pm  #21


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Radiowiz wrote:

       Corus could easily move into the former City/Omni building @ Yonge & Dundas

Not easily if a long-term lease exists on the waterfront complex

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December 14, 2023 3:38 pm  #22


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R-S-T-L-N-E wrote:

Radiowiz wrote:

       Corus could easily move into the former City/Omni building @ Yonge & Dundas

Not easily if a long-term lease exists on the waterfront complex

Bit easier if there is no longer such an entity as "CORUS Entertainment".

Also,

=20pxThe waterfront campus currently supports 10,000 students. Long-term, the college hopes to add another 10,000 students to the waterfront campus, said Joe Cressy, senior vice-president of external relations, communications and real estate development.

They're moving in.
 

 

December 14, 2023 4:45 pm  #23


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Radiowiz wrote:

Corus could easily move into the former City/Omni building @ Yonge & Dundas once their move to One Mount Pleasant is complete...space pending. 

The Yonge & Dundas facility is considerably smaller than 25 Dockside


RadioAaron wrote:

They're moving  

That would seem so.  The entire 7th floor at 25 Dockside is unused by Corus and sub-leased out.  A possible space for GB to move into.

 

 

December 14, 2023 4:46 pm  #24


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In Phase wrote:

Radiowiz wrote:

Corus could easily move into the former City/Omni building @ Yonge & Dundas once their move to One Mount Pleasant is complete...space pending. 

The Yonge & Dundas facility is considerably smaller than 25 Dockside


RadioAaron wrote:

They're moving  

That would seem so.  The entire 7th floor at 25 Dockside is unused by Corus and sub-leased out.  A possible space for GB to move into.

 

They're doubling their existing space. They're fully moving in.

 

December 14, 2023 4:48 pm  #25


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R-S-T-L-N-E wrote:

Radiowiz wrote:

       Corus could easily move into the former City/Omni building @ Yonge & Dundas

Not easily if a long-term lease exists on the waterfront complex

Is City/Omni actually moving or is this a rumour?

 

December 18, 2023 11:01 pm  #27


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RadioAaron wrote:

Drip....drip....drip

From Broadcast Dialogue...

“An award-winning strategic and creative marketing leader with almost 20 years of experience delivering impactful results in the media industry, Jackie has helped chart Corus’ brand identities and increased their impact, while contributing to key programming, formatting decisions, and marketing and promotions across the company’s 39 radio stations and podcasting,” the company said in a statement. “A strong, empathetic leader who motivates her team for success, she is passionate about connecting talent with brands and audiences.”

Can somebody translate this for me into English - as in, what does she actually do based on her alleged experience?

 


How could Hell be worse?
 

December 18, 2023 11:08 pm  #28


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Stacks of wax wrote:

Can somebody translate this for me into English - as in, what does she actually do based on her alleged experience?
 

Keeps the chair warm over the next 12-18 months while the company is dissolved around her.

 

December 18, 2023 11:44 pm  #29


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Ahhh ... so that would mean maintaining strategic market position while creating dynamic impact. It's all so clear to me now ...


How could Hell be worse?
 

December 19, 2023 5:27 pm  #30


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Stacks of wax wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

Drip....drip....drip

Can somebody translate this for me into English - as in, what does she actually do based on her alleged experience?
 

ensures with her extensive radio experience, that stations won't sound better but they will have a kick azz summer cruiser.