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May 1, 2021 7:00 am  #31


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

So the new crop of late night talking heads are being paid in the 15M range in 2017. Probably a bit more in 2021. 30 years ago, Johnny Carson was earning 25M. While Colbert consistently has more viewers than Kimmel and Fallon, he does not dominate the way Carson did over Griffin and Cavett.

 

May 1, 2021 9:56 pm  #32


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

mace wrote:

So the new crop of late night talking heads are being paid in the 15M range in 2017. Probably a bit more in 2021. 30 years ago, Johnny Carson was earning 25M. While Colbert consistently has more viewers than Kimmel and Fallon, he does not dominate the way Carson did over Griffin and Cavett.

Carson has been credited with saving NBC a few times.  For much of the 70's, first against CBS and later ABC, NBC didn't have a lot going on in prime time.  With Johnny they always dominated Late Night, and back then Carson wasn't making the big bucks.  For many years the show was a big cashbox for NBC.  Also they dominated mornings for decades with the Today Show.

 

May 2, 2021 2:15 pm  #33


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

Just a reminder for those interested, this docuseries debuts tonight, Sunday, at 9 PM (EDT) with a repeat at midnight, in case you're recording something else. Hopefully, there won't be any breaking news that might stop it airing on time, as has happened with CNN series in the past. 

‘The Story Of Late-Night’: From Steve Allen & Johnny Carson To Desus & Mero, CNN Docuseries Explores The Changing World Of Talkshows

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May 2, 2021 3:54 pm  #34


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

As noted earlier in this thread, the company behind this show is a Toronto-based studio known as Cream Productions. It appears Late Night is just the beginning of their behind-the-scenes look into TV staples.

There are no details yet of what will be in it or when it might be shown (although it's another CNN series), but at the very bottom of their website is this tantalizing pic, another series that would appear to be an absolute can't miss for me. Keep an eye out for this one. 

(Edit: I found this very brief description online: "an eight-part series that explores the most memorable moments and characters in television history, and the way sitcoms inform and reflect our social, cultural and political landscape.")

https://i.ibb.co/vLTWx7M/sit.jpg

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May 3, 2021 10:15 am  #35


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

Really enjoyed the first edition of The History of Late Night TV.  Lots of information and facts I had never heard before.  Loved all of the old clips.  I had no idea that Steve Allen's Tonight Show in 1954 influenced David Letterman's Latenight so much.   Glad I am recording this series, I know it is one that I would view over again.  Same format as CNN's other historical documentaries and well done.

 

May 3, 2021 11:27 am  #36


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

I have just started watching the first episode of this series. At the beginning, during the Steve Allen radio segment, did anyone else notice the CFRB, WBEN and WKBW indicators on the right side of the old radio. The three on the left side were too blurry to read.

 

May 3, 2021 11:59 am  #37


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

mace wrote:

I have just started watching the first episode of this series. At the beginning, during the Steve Allen radio segment, did anyone else notice the CFRB, WBEN and WKBW indicators on the right side of the old radio. The three on the left side were too blurry to read.

Yes, I noticed that as well.  On the left side I am sure the last button said CBL.  But RB and the others were very clear on that old radio.  Didn't notice if the brand of the radio was showing in that shot.

 

May 3, 2021 1:31 pm  #38


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

paterson1 wrote:

Really enjoyed the first edition of The History of Late Night TV.  Lots of information and facts I had never heard before.  Loved all of the old clips.  I had no idea that Steve Allen's Tonight Show in 1954 influenced David Letterman's Latenight so much.   Glad I am recording this series, I know it is one that I would view over again.  Same format as CNN's other historical documentaries and well done.

an excellent episode .. looking forward to more .. CNN does these mini-series very well ..

 

May 4, 2021 1:57 pm  #39


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

I heard that Jay Leno and David Letterman would not consent to interviews for this production.  Are Jay and Dave still at loggerheads?  Or was it because producer Bill Carter wrote two popular books- The Battle for Late Night and The Late Shift which maybe highlighted the tension and dislike that Letterman and Leno had for each other?

All of the other hosts currently on US late night TV took part and were interviewed.  Also relatives of various hosts that have since passed.

 

May 4, 2021 2:09 pm  #40


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

Glad they mentioned "The First Lady of Television", Faye Emerson. Wish there had been more on Broadway Open House, another original show that was a forerunner of Tonight. Some clips of that show survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc2lEW21Zno


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May 4, 2021 4:41 pm  #41


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

Ireland's Late Late Show has been running since 1962- that's a weekly show though. I think daily late night chat shows are rare outside of the US.

CTV's Open Mike with Mike Bullard did well but then Bullard made the mistake of going to Global and CTV run Jon Stewart against him and that was that. There are two factors inhibiting English Canada from running a successful late night show and both have to do with the US. English Canadian culture is so dominated by the US that there isn't much of a local star system here and Canadian TV and movies always have a niche following in our own country - much more so than in other countries where, even though American movies, TV, and music are popular there is still room for distinct local production. It's only in music that we're at all able to hold our own against Americans but they swamp us when it comes to TV and film.

And, relatedly, the second reason a late night show has difficultly competing is because they are directly up against the US late night shows which isn't the case in other countries, not even in other English-speaking countries. 

So as much as I dislike Bullard, I do have to give him credit for Open Mike's success - even though he let it go to his head and ended up sabotaging himself by not only going over to Global based on an overestimation of his show's appeal, but also burning his bridges with CTV and the Comedy Network by complaining loudly about Bell/CTV on his way out. 

Of course, that wouldn't be the last time Bullard sabotaged himself -but that's another story. 

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May 4, 2021 4:58 pm  #42


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

I really enjoyed the opening episode and am looking forward to the rest.

Articles about the series say Letterman had & has no interest in talking about his show, while Leno pulled out at the last minute -- perhaps because Dave wasn't talking.  Who knows?

The Canadian station ID other forum members have commented on here may have something to do with the fact that a Canadian company produced the series.

 

May 4, 2021 5:05 pm  #43


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

paterson1 wrote:

I heard that Jay Leno and David Letterman would not consent to interviews for this production.  Are Jay and Dave still at loggerheads?  Or was it because producer Bill Carter wrote two popular books- The Battle for Late Night and The Late Shift which maybe highlighted the tension and dislike that Letterman and Leno had for each other?

They're not buddies but I don't think they're really at loggerheads anymore  Both have said nice things about the other in recent years. I suspect the idea of sitting down for a long, serious interview about late night would bore Letterman to tears and Leno wouldn't want to do an interview if Letterman wasn't because of the optics.

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May 5, 2021 11:37 am  #44


Re: Viewer Alert: CNN's New DocuSeries "The History Of Late Night" TV

Dale Patterson wrote:

Glad they mentioned "The First Lady of Television", Faye Emerson. Wish there had been more on Broadway Open House, another original show that was a forerunner of Tonight. Some clips of that show survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc2lEW21Zno

If you search Broadway Open House on the Uncle Earl's Classic TV Channel site, you will find two episodes from Dec 14, 1950 and Jan 30, 1951. I believe some of the original commercials are included.