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August 24, 2020 6:50 pm  #1


Does Erin O'Toole get your vote next election

Give money to parents and defund the CBC...that's part of the platform Erin O'Toole is suggesting. The newly elected leader of the Federal PC's is going to make waves and yes Toto, "we're not in Kansas anymore".

Here's more on this story...

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/defund-the-cbc-and-shower-parents-with-cash-four-things-erin-otoole-has-promised-to-do


So, here is my question, is this "Scheer" Madness or good policies...insofar as the CBC cuts go?

 


The world would be so good if it weren't for some people...
 

August 24, 2020 8:27 pm  #2


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I think Erin O'Toole is wasting his time making cuts to the CBC budget. It is not a priority issue with the majority of Canadians. I will still vote for him because I have no use for Prime Minister Selfie and being a right of centre person, the NDP is not an option for me.

 

August 24, 2020 8:59 pm  #3


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I don't live in his riding, so no.


 
 

August 24, 2020 9:10 pm  #4


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I can't believe that the CBC stuck with that convention all night and never switched to hockey. 

 

August 24, 2020 9:13 pm  #5


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The Toronto Star makes it clear that his plan is not a total withdrawal of all CBC funding:

"O’Toole would stop funding CBC’s digital arm within a new Conservative government’s first mandate. He would also slash funding to CBC English television and the CBC News Network by 50 per cent and try to privatize them within that first term.

However, the platform says O’Toole would keep government funding intact for Radio-Canada and other minority language services in Canada, and keep CBC Radio, “which is commercial free and maintains the original public interest mandate.” 

You may or may not like his proposal, but in the interest of accuracy, it's not a total defunding. That needs to be pointed out.  

 

August 24, 2020 9:33 pm  #6


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RadioActive wrote:

"O’Toole would stop funding CBC’s digital arm within a new Conservative government’s first mandate. He would also slash funding to CBC English television and the CBC News Network by 50 per cent and try to privatize them within that first term.
 

You cannot slash CBCNN funding by 50%, because it is funded by cable fees and advertising, and does not receive direct funding from taxpayers. Just another soundbite with no substance. 
 


 
 

August 24, 2020 9:53 pm  #7


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A bluebilly grifter to lead the other bluebilly grifters.

 

August 24, 2020 10:16 pm  #8


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Over the years I have voted conservative and liberal equally at least federally.  Probably will vote tory next federal election. I like Erin O'Toole overall but anything can happen til we vote again.

Defunding CBC is a non issue for me and not important to Canadians.  Contrary to what the National Post says, it also not a hot  issue for most conservatives either.  CBC haters of course are chomping at the bit, but these folks have a chip on their shoulder and tend to be mad about about a lot of things.

Besides, if I understand this correctly, Erin wants to take away half of CBC TV's government money by the end of the first term.  So in about four or five years time, what are we talking, a saving $350 million or so? He says he will leave the radio networks alone and Radio Canada French network.

Many of those who dislike the CBC rant on about the $1.3 billion they get from the taxpayer every year.  Post Media in their bi-weekly anti and misleading CBC articles have been bringing this up for years. They always make it sound like CBC TV gets $1.3 billion every year from the taxpayer which is incorrect and misleading.

CBC-TV likely gets around $700 million each year.  Remember there is a whole French TV network (Radio Canada) that gets a chunk of cash. and all of the various radio networks and stations.

Just for shits and giggles here are CBC/Radio Canada's assets..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation

So as you can see the $1.3 billion is spread out over a lot of things.  Now the company is also in the advertising and marketing business and sells their programs around the world.  This usually brings in $400-$500 million per year. Don't know if this includes money they receive from cable fees on their two news networks and two specialty channels. So the total budget for CBC/Radio Canada is around  $1.7 to 1.9 billion per year.

CBC will see changes likely in the next few years regardless of who is in power largely because of economics and the fact that Canada likely will be running large deficits for the foreseeable future.  Economics may dictate what CBC becomes and i believe there is a chance that the English network we now have may not be around in five years.


CBC to their credit last night didn't bring up the cutting of their budgets when going through some highlights of O'Toole's platform.  Some will say they are hiding this, but it is more that they didn't want to become part of the story last night and other items in his platform were more important. 

Besides, competing media like we see with Sun/Post newspapers will be covering this story and pushing for defunding of CBC  from now until the next election....just like they have trying for the past 20 years to make this an issue with the public.



 

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August 24, 2020 11:39 pm  #9


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I'm tired of the non-stop left wing propaganda spewed by CBC radio. They don't even try to present any other view. Given it is funded by all tax paying Canadians you would think they would try to present some different views on issues, but they don't.

They promote / champion every left wing socialist cause of the day. Not to mention their disdain for Trump and Americans in general. I could list many instances but to what end? I occasionally listen for a few minutes to see if there has been any improvement. Nada.

The CBC's original purpose was to 'bring Canadian's together'. I'd argue their constant deluge of socialist agitprop is driving Canadians apart.

If I subscribe to a service or publication and I don't like it I can cancel it. Not so with the CBC. I am forced to pay for it. Perhaps that's why they don't care about presenting anything but the perspective of the left; they don't have to. Their funding should be eliminated. Let them do pledge drives and the people that listen can support them. If they cannot exist using this business model, there will more radio spectrum available.

If the CBC went off the air tomorrow would anyone be hurt? It is certainly not essential. Some people would complain about losing their daily left wing hit, but they would get over it and find something else to listen to or watch. Canada simply does not need the CBC. Maybe it would be better off without it.
 

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August 24, 2020 11:47 pm  #10


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Mr. O'Toole is going about it all wrong.

Did he even ask CTV, City and Global what they would wish for if it could be done? 
It is to my understanding that they would rather pay taxes (to fund CBC) in exchange for CBC not being allowed to compete for American Sim Sub content rights.  (or something along those lines...) 

 


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.
 
 

August 25, 2020 12:48 am  #11


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darcyh wrote:

I'm tired of the non-stop left wing propaganda spewed by CBC radio. They don't even try to present any other view. Given it is funded by all tax paying Canadians you would think they would try to present some different views on issues, but they don't.

They promote / champion every left wing socialist cause of the day. Not to mention their disdain for Trump and Americans in general. I could list many instances but to what end? I occasionally listen for a few minutes to see if there has been any improvement. Nada.

The CBC's original purpose was to 'bring Canadian's together'. I'd argue their constant deluge of socialist agitprop is driving Canadians apart.

If I subscribe to a service or publication and I don't like it I can cancel it. Not so with the CBC. I am forced to pay for it. Perhaps that's why they don't care about presenting anything but the perspective of the left; they don't have to. Their funding should be eliminated. Let them do pledge drives and the people that listen can support them. If they cannot exist using this business model, there will more radio spectrum available.

If the CBC went off the air tomorrow would anyone be hurt? It is certainly not essential. Some people would complain about losing their daily left wing hit, but they would get over it and find something else to listen to or watch. Canada simply does not need the CBC. Maybe it would be better off without it.
 

Good post darcyh some interesting points.  I actually don't listen to CBC radio that much at least not for news so i can't really comment on their political content.  Other than some comedy programming and music, I find CBC radio boring.  I keep reading that CBC has a left wing bias and that it is particularly bad on radio.....however.

What I don't get is why CBC radio is so popular right across the country.  Even in traditional conservative parts of  Canada CBC radio almost always does very well and has strong ratings.  So the question has to be asked, if they are so left wing and biased why do they do so well, even in many traditionally conservative parts of the country?

CBC News Network is where I base most of my views on CBC news and political coverage, not radio as I mentioned.  Last night their coverage of the conservative leadership convention was fair to me.  Interviews with various conservative pundits were all very friendly and the hosts and people from the party seemed to actually like each other and joked a lot as they were trying to fill time. Today Erin O'Toole was the lead story all day and they played cuts from his well received speech early Monday morning. Comments today on CBC News Network were generally quite favourable to the new leader.  At least that is the way it seemed to me.

Even tonight  CBC News Network coverage of the republican convention was better than CNN.  Their pundits were excellent, all republicans, and their coverage had none of the hysteria that CNN and FOX  seems to have these days. Carol MacNeil did a super job, stayed away from extremes and actually had some interesting content,  she had a good rapport with the republican pundits. Issues and content wise, it was head and shoulders superior to what I saw on CNN.

Actually I don't think that CBC News Network dwells on Trump at all.  They cover the stories but i don't find they dwell on him or are any more negative on him  than Global or CTV.  Again maybe this is an issue more with CBC radio.

I don't like CBC.ca so much but mainly because of all the immature and ridiculous comments from readers after most stories.  I find the comments on both sides, left and right to be a place for trolls to hang out and spew lies and misinformation.  I am disappointed what the moderators let on and most of the comments are a waste of time to read and often have nothing to do with the story.  Also I am very disappointed with readers that would make so many pointless and mean comments.  They actually are ruining CBC.ca in my opinion.

 

August 25, 2020 7:45 am  #12


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darcyh wrote:

I'm tired of the non-stop left wing propaganda spewed by CBC radio. They don't even try to present any other view. Given it is funded by all tax paying Canadians you would think they would try to present some different views on issues, but they don't.

They promote / champion every left wing socialist cause of the day. Not to mention their disdain for Trump and Americans in general. I could list many instances but to what end? I occasionally listen for a few minutes to see if there has been any improvement. Nada.

The CBC's original purpose was to 'bring Canadian's together'. I'd argue their constant deluge of socialist agitprop is driving Canadians apart.

If I subscribe to a service or publication and I don't like it I can cancel it. Not so with the CBC. I am forced to pay for it. Perhaps that's why they don't care about presenting anything but the perspective of the left; they don't have to. Their funding should be eliminated. Let them do pledge drives and the people that listen can support them. If they cannot exist using this business model, there will more radio spectrum available.

If the CBC went off the air tomorrow would anyone be hurt? It is certainly not essential. Some people would complain about losing their daily left wing hit, but they would get over it and find something else to listen to or watch. Canada simply does not need the CBC. Maybe it would be better off without it.
 

Just from a television perspective, CBC/CBC Newsworld is my default go-to Canadian source whenever a significant event is unfolding.  On the whole, I prefer CBC's manner, style, personnel & presentation.  I fully support continued CBC funding.  The mantra that privatization is always better is a fallacy.  A mix of public & private provides a fuller landscape, a wider spectrum of views.  Full privatization bias is too often tainted by "follow the money". (Ex. would you fully trust CTV to critique Bell?)

re: "Not to mention their disdain for Trump .."
You say that as if its a bad thing.  Trump, the master of gaslight, projection & deceit, richly deserves every single bit of criticism he & his supporters receive. 

 

August 25, 2020 9:21 am  #13


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I agree with g121 with the observation that the mix of public and private news coverage provides a fuller landscape or perspective on views.  I do understand that CBC news also will cover another side of a story in more detail than the private networks because they have the time and the budget to do so. And sometimes this will be from a left side of the spectrum.

I don't mind this as long as it is based on facts and not bias. Now you can argue that this happens and they are biased and this may be the case on CBC radio, I don't know.  Usually however CBC News Network does seem fair to me, I may not agree with the report but that isn't the point.

Having said that I have also noticed CBC TV do reports that come more from a right point of view.  CBC has had feature reports that question climate change, and is climate change actually bad for Canada?

About 8 months ago The National had a long full feature report with various indigenous communities that all supported pipelines running through their territory and saw this as an opportunity to help their communities.  The chiefs from a few of the groups interviewed stressed that many indigenous communities want to work with oil companies and want to see jobs created for people on reservations so they can make a decent living and get out of poverty. 

Oddly enough, to me at least, I found some of the private television coverage more sympathetic to unions and spokespeople from the left during the teachers strike prior to the pandemic.  Global and City TV in particular seemed to be dwelling on the teacher's union perspective and grievances more that anything CBC TV was doing.  Also during the indigenous rail blockade in the spring, some of the coverage from the private networks seemed to turn a blind eye to groups that were breaking the law and in some cases putting railway workers in danger by throwing gas at passing trains.

The mix of private and public news coverage in theory should make for a healthier dialogue.  For the most part is the fact that  Canadian networks english and french do attempt to stay away from extreme positions.  Our media has far less polarization on air than what we see in some other countries. This is something that hopefully people notice and should make for a healthier democracy and discussions.

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August 25, 2020 11:37 am  #14


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I doubt that O'Toole will ever be prime minister so the entire question is moot. I expect Trudeau to skate to another election victory and then retire to the lucrative speaking circuit. Christine Freeland will likely replace him and will be a strong force. The Conservatives need a Messiah - a rock star so to speak. They have that is Leslyn Lewis. Hopefully they'll choose wisely next time.


"Life without echo is really no life at all." - Dan Ingram
 

August 25, 2020 12:35 pm  #15


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A friend of mine, who's no fan of our current P.M., sent me this suggested slogan for use during the next election, whenever it comes:

"You can vote for O'Toole or you can vote for tool."

I don't like getting overly political here, but I thought it was a pretty clever line. 

 

August 25, 2020 4:18 pm  #16


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All the Libs have to do is keep throwing out O'Tools close connections to Canada Proud, Ontario Proud and that 'take Canada back' slogan that they've aligned to racism and Trumps' 'make america great again' campaign...O'Tool was endorsed by Alberta's Premier Jason Kenney which is a ball and chain in eastern Canada and even though he was born in Montreal his French is not great either which hamstrings him in Quebec...Trudeau's self-inflicted stupidity should have cost him more but he's lucky a good chunk of the cons followers are 'old stock' and 'more stupider'...when cons say they won the popular vote with 33% it means they have little awareness of how the other 67% of Canadian voters feel about issues their hardcore base don't see as relevant enough...immigration, multiculturalism, gay marriage, abortion, climate, social housing, etc...

 

August 25, 2020 6:01 pm  #17


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The liberals trying to align or compare O'Toole with Trump would be a very dumb move.  He is nothing like Trump and they know it.  Just watch the difference between the republican convention and what we saw on the weekend with conservatives.  It is obvious there is no connection between the two. I am not a big Doug Ford fan but I find it laughable when liberals or the ndp try to compare Ford to Trump.  It shows they have no game plan and using childish deflections are wearing thin.  Ford has proven to be not the scary guy with hidden republican agenda that the liberals tried to portray.  The best thing federally for liberals right now would be for Trudeau to step down or a movement within the party to remove him. 

I know this isn't a political forum, so my apology.  I am done and will not comment further unless there is a media connection.

 

August 25, 2020 6:44 pm  #18


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Dale Patterson wrote:

I doubt that O'Toole will ever be prime minister so the entire question is moot. I expect Trudeau to skate to another election victory and then retire to the lucrative speaking circuit. Christine Freeland will likely replace him and will be a strong force. The Conservatives need a Messiah - a rock star so to speak. They have that is Leslyn Lewis. Hopefully they'll choose wisely next time.

Leslyn Lewis is anti-choice.  You think she'd have a hope in Canada?  Dream on.
 

 

August 25, 2020 8:42 pm  #19


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Charlie wrote:

Dale Patterson wrote:

I doubt that O'Toole will ever be prime minister so the entire question is moot. I expect Trudeau to skate to another election victory and then retire to the lucrative speaking circuit. Christine Freeland will likely replace him and will be a strong force. The Conservatives need a Messiah - a rock star so to speak. They have that is Leslyn Lewis. Hopefully they'll choose wisely next time.

Leslyn Lewis is anti-choice.  You think she'd have a hope in Canada?  Dream on.
 

That would be the problem.
 


"Life without echo is really no life at all." - Dan Ingram
 

August 25, 2020 9:38 pm  #20


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how about Ezra Levant?  i hear rebel media likes the guy.
this thread is just about done. 

 

August 25, 2020 11:21 pm  #21


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paterson1 wrote:

The liberals trying to align or compare O'Toole with Trump would be a very dumb move.  He is nothing like Trump and they know it.  Just watch the difference between the republican convention and what we saw on the weekend with conservatives.  It is obvious there is no connection between the two. I am not a big Doug Ford fan but I find it laughable when liberals or the ndp try to compare Ford to Trump.  It shows they have no game plan and using childish deflections are wearing thin.  Ford has proven to be not the scary guy with hidden republican agenda that the liberals tried to portray.  The best thing federally for liberals right now would be for Trudeau to step down or a movement within the party to remove him. 

I know this isn't a political forum, so my apology.  I am done and will not comment further unless there is a media connection.

It's politics. The truth doesn't matter.
 


"Life without echo is really no life at all." - Dan Ingram
 

August 28, 2020 7:33 pm  #22


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Turns out there's another Erin O'Toole. And she has nothing to do with the Conservatives. In fact, she's a veteran radio host. And she lives and works in Colorado. 

Meet Erin O’Toole. She’s not a Conservative Party leader. She doesn’t really care about our politics. And she’s most definitely not a Canadian

 

August 29, 2020 8:10 am  #23


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I only vote for parties that support proportional representation, so no.  I won't Liberal either.  Our Parliament would function much better if it actually represented the collective will of the people.

The CBC funding issue, while popular with Conservative voters, will actually work against O'Toole.  It will galvanize and motivate those oppose to the policy to go out to vote or vote stategically.


- Not an industry person.  Just a guy with a love of Toronto radio. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/cute.gif
 

August 29, 2020 11:24 pm  #24


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Erin is another cold suit, just like Sheer. You need someone with fire in their eyes. It's sad that this is what politics have devolved into, but we live in a world where no matter how many scandals our Prime Minister finds himself in, there will always be someone voting for him because he has a nice smile. And wears Star Wars socks. Can't forget that one.

 

August 30, 2020 6:49 pm  #25


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O'Toole's moment would have been had he been leader in the last election - but the right-populist moment in politics has passed and will likely be buried with Trump's defeat in November - but even if he scrapes through and gets re-elected I think it's past it's best before date in Canada. The Tories are too far gone now and after promoting himself as a "True Blue" Conservative in order to win over the conspiracy theorists and populist crazies he's not going to be able to credibly re-reinvent himself or his party as centrists. While I think Trudeau should resign over the WE scandal, I don't think Canadians are going to vote him out over it and the Liberals will recover in the polls by the time there's an election - even if there's a fall election which I think is unlikely. 

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August 30, 2020 7:06 pm  #26


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If they put a "none of the above" choice on the ballot, I think that just might win.

 

August 30, 2020 7:27 pm  #27


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I vote for the tall person.

 

September 2, 2020 9:12 am  #28


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RadioActive wrote:

Turns out there's another Erin O'Toole. And she has nothing to do with the Conservatives. In fact, she's a veteran radio host. And she lives and works in Colorado. 

Meet Erin O’Toole. She’s not a Conservative Party leader. She doesn’t really care about our politics. And she’s most definitely not a Canadian

Well, I guess it was inevitable that the radio O'Toole and the political O'Toole would eventually meet. It happened virtually on Tuesday, and in another remarkable coincidence, not only are their names spelled exactly the same, they both share the same birthday. What are the odds of that? 

Erin O'Toole V. Erin O'Toole: A Conversation Between KUNC's Radio Host And The Newly Elected Leader Of Canada's Conservative Party

 

September 2, 2020 9:19 am  #29


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RadioActive wrote:

A friend of mine, who's no fan of our current P.M., sent me this suggested slogan for use during the next election, whenever it comes:

"You can vote for O'Toole or you can vote for tool."

I don't like getting overly political here, but I thought it was a pretty clever line. 

Except O'Toole IS A TOOL!! HELLO??  Leave CBC alone!! 


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.
 
 

September 2, 2020 9:45 am  #30


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Retaw wrote:

there will always be someone voting for him because he has a nice smile. And wears Star Wars socks. Can't forget that one.

I'm just waiting for the attack ads. Instead of "Nice hair tho" we will now hear "nice beard tho" lol

In all seriousness, Conservatives lost my vote because I believe in the CBC. 
I really appreciate the fact that my taxes are paying for programming that is free to say something without a parent company yelling "YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!"

Will CTV ever air something like this?




OR THIS?




How about a cell phone bill issue without being told by CTV that Bell/Virgin/Lucky Mobile is what you really should be using? 
Or by City TV that Rogers/Fido/Chatr are all you really need? 
Or by Global that Freedom mobile is the best way to go...

It's not an infomercial folks! It's CBC Marketplace! LEAVE CBC ALONE!!!! WE DO NOT NEED Privatization of CBC to ruin informative television!!!!



 

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RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.