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Does that mean TODAY is now yesterday?
Guess Mr. Ray is glad he didn't take 820 country. But I'm sure the Evanov folks at 88.5 Newmarket aren't going to be happy.
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Here's the message for the listeners (or should that be listener, singular?) on the 93.5 website, which I suspect won't be up much longer.
What's interesting is that they say they're starting on Sept. 3rd. Looks like they jumped the gun by a few days with an early teaser. A liner they just aired says "Tuesday... Country has a home in the City." But unlike other format flips I've heard, which just play music non-stop until the official sign-on, they're still running spots.
The change came at 10 AM Thursday after one last song: Bye Bye Bye By NSYNC.
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Within only a few years 93.5 morphed from hip hop to talk/adult hits and now country music... Couldn't really see it coming but really hope the format can stick longer than others. Not sure if the current demographics in GTA can really support that many country stations though, with other competitors such as Hot Country 885 and KX 96/94.7 sharing the same slice. The only current major city in North America without a country station will therefore only be left with New York, which is obvious due to the nature of the market itself.
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Well if they just play 'Fast Car' over and over again perhaps I'll tune in once in awhile.
#fishingInTheDark
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New country these days strikes me as CHR with a very slight country edge to it. There are songs that seem to cross over almost to the point that when I'm DXing and haven't yet figured out the market, I'm not sure what a station's format is until I've heard a couple tunes... and I also dislike the music. Give me treaditional or older country any day!
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Are they "Country" in the Johnny Cash/Hank Williams/Waylon Jennings sense or are they "Country" in the Jason Aldean/Carrie Underwood/Luke Combs sense? If the latter, it's arguably more pop than country.
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We’ve discussed here before (without any real answers) the mystery of why country never seems to work in Toronto. Not that it hasn’t been tried repeatedly.
The most successful twang tuneage came from CFGM-AM, technically licenced to Richmond Hill but for all intents and purposes a Toronto area station. They switched to country in 1964 and stayed with the format for an incredible 26 years, until moving to 640 and entering the CHOG era. And we all know how that ended.
Hard to imagine but CHIN-AM also tried to lasso audiences in with country, with former CHUM D.J. Moose Latrek (aka Fred Snyder, one of the station's production people) trying all night country on the otherwise ethnic station. It wasn't music from the "Old Country" and it didn't stay for long.
CKFH tried its hand at bringing country to the city in 1975, an attempt that ended in 1981 when it became CJCL and went with a short-lived AC format on AM.
CKEY also threw a cowboy hat in the ring, becoming CKYC Country 59 from 1991-1995. But when the ratings didn’t keep on truckin’, the latest country attempt went dark.
Then Rawlco became the first to try putting the music on FM, with CISS at 92.5 in 1993. But again, there was no home for this range and when Rogers bought the place in 1999, it flipped it to Top 40.
Outside of CKDX-FM in Newmarket, which is still a relatively recent country-newcomer, and the more fringe-y signals of the KX re-transmitters, there have been no real C&W successes, hot, modern or otherwise that’s lasted very long, CFGM excluded.
Will 93.5 suffer the same fate? Stay tuned. Although given the history of country radio in this city, it’s possible most won’t stay tuned.
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CKDX should go back to Jewel or Lite favourites - was so good with that. I know Brantford CKPC is still this. This will impact them.
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I'd say Today will be missed but I don't think many people knew it even existed.
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I have doubts about this format too. With competition where 3 similar formats exist, what is this version of a Country Music Station going to do differently to capture listeners?
Where did the creativity in radio go?
Is there nothing else more compelling, did they research the market first and listener preferences?
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It will be an uphill battle for sure.
While there are other stations in the format, they are not factors in ratings.
But the 93.5 signal really doesn't go where it needs to for this to be big. But maybe it doesn't need to be "big"
It also helps Stingray nationally with their Country stations. Labels have a reason to care about Yonge & St. Clair now.
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This gives Durham Radio the chance to move The Rock to both 95.9's & 89.9 with KX Country going to 94.9
Having two Country stations right in Toronto will not work for very long. Country on 94.9 will continue to serve The Durham Region and points further East than what 95.9 does.
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Whatever the plan is... the switch was boring. Unless something impressive happens on Tuesday... the early days are not impressive.
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RadioQuiz wrote:
Whatever the plan is... the switch was boring. Unless something impressive happens on Tuesday... the early days are not impressive.
Nobody who's going to like the station heard the switch. Big productions on sudden format changes are a complete waste of time and resources.
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RadioQuiz wrote:
Lying low.
Blah execution.
Cool strategy.
Nobody heard it. It doesn't matter.
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Marc1178 wrote:
This gives Durham Radio the chance to move The Rock to both 95.9's & 89.9 with KX Country going to 94.9
Having two Country stations right in Toronto will not work for very long. Country on 94.9 will continue to serve The Durham Region and points further East than what 95.9 does.
This....is not a terrible idea.
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Who cares about the actual switch? I agree... no one... but it's on the air now.... so how long do they get to be a below average non exciting format?
And switching KX and Rock is a terrible idea. Throw away decades of branding because 93.5 switched? You can't be serious.
Right now - KX remains the Country leader.
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Why would you ever risking your audience? Especially when you're the leader?
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RadioQuiz wrote:
Right now - KX remains the Country leader.
When Today first signed on, wasn't the main question "Why didn't they just go Country in the first place?
Now there's people complaining that they did?
At the end of the day, I have no idea what their ratings goals are for 93.5,
but at least now they'll get more than a point 3 share.
As long as sister station BOOM 97.3 brings in great ratings, there's room to breathe after that whole Today mess...
(plus also, Country is a format that won't take too many ears away from Boom)
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Maybe. Not sure the needle is going to move much unless....
1) They have something super unique about the station.
2) Spend massive dough on advertising.
What was the peak for CISS 92.5?
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The peak was the first 4 years. Jane Brown and Cliff Dumas worked well together. When Dumas left to return to 820 CHAM it was Larry Fedoruk who sat in for a few months before he too departed. By these years the Garth Brooks/Hank JR. era of New Country was washing away listeners fast.
CKRZ 100.3 has a country music morning show.
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The Paul McGuire show will fill the morning slot.
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Not a lot new here, but this story has made the U.S.-based Radio Insight, which points out owner Stingray also has 19 other stations with the "New Country" branding. In that sense, Toronto may be late to the game.
The Calendar Turns In Toronto as Today Radio Comes To An End With Country Preparing To Come To Town
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Broadcast Dialogue has an interesting interview with Steve Jones, Stingray's president.
Check out this quote.:
“I think the challenge was we had a real difficult time explaining to listeners and clients what was different about Today Radio. It was hard to translate to clients what was unique about it…we know the variety we played was infinitely wider and conversations infinitely deeper, but it became a really difficult thing to communicate. When you can’t communicate what makes you interesting or different, I think you’re kind of doomed.”
So let me get this straight. A station that was based on having communication with listeners failed to communicate its purpose with listeners. Is that about it? How ironic!
Stingray bets on New Country in Toronto