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May 8, 2022 6:23 pm  #31


Re: classic rock songs you are sick of hearing

My question to some of these classic hits/classic rock stations that claim that certain less-played hits "don't test very well", is just how often do you test your music? It seems like a lot of these stations haven't significantly freshened up their playists in about a decade or more.

As an example, after more than ten years, the only two songs by Pat Benatar that people really want to hear are "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" and "Love is a Battlefield"? Nobody wants to hear "Invicible", "Shadows of the Night" or "We Live for Love"?

And #1 hits by established artists like Bob Seger and Huey Lewis like "Shakedown" and "Jacob's Ladder" don't test near as well as compared to something like Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry, Be Happy"?

Seriously?



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May 8, 2022 7:38 pm  #32


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Marsden wrote:

Therein lies the problem. 

Almost every time a radio station gets a few calls from a listeners saying they don't like a song - that radio station removes the song from their library. Over a short period of time a lot of songs get removed. 

With very little left, radio stations feel safe playing the 30 songs remaining. And then to be really safe - the station plays those 30 songs over and over and over.

No adventure.  

While I have exaggerated slightly to make a point - it really is happening.

On a panel a number of years back - a listener ask an unnamed PD "why does radio play the same song every few hours?. The PD said - "Do you know how long most people listen to the radio?" 

I guess it's a Which Came First The Chicken or The Egg" kind of thing. :-) 

In the car, it is a short time - but for some stations the playlist is so short the same songs keep coming up every time I listen for just 10 minutes. One of the worst offenders for this I’ve heard is across the border from me, KISM in Bellingham, WA. I swear their playlist must be only 15-20 classic rock songs.

 

May 8, 2022 8:03 pm  #33


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I noticed that UK and other European classic rock channels/stations mix it up better than Canadian and American.
 

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May 8, 2022 8:33 pm  #34


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Marsden is right but it goes farther than that. Every station in North America tightens playlists and the culprit is one word. Safe. I'll use a football analogy. If you have a lead , chances are you have your defence play a "prevent" defence. It's considered safe but it can backfire like it did in the Buffalo-Kansas City game. " Safe" doesn't win but it's supposed to keep you from losing. I would argue that in the radio business it actually doesn't work. Classic rock and even Oldies  before that have been around for 50 plus years in some cases and the songs are tired. I love Gimme Shelter but I'm tired of it. Play Happy, Fool To Cry or any of the other songs that rarely get played. At the very least it would freshen things up. 

 

May 8, 2022 10:48 pm  #35


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This is from 2014 but interesting analysis from the fine folks at 538

Classic Rock Analysis


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May 9, 2022 8:54 am  #36


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I am wondering if we will start to see fewer classic rock stations and more like FM 96 London that are playing a larger variety of music and some current tracks.  Note they still play some album cuts and have a weekly top 20 rock countdown of current music. Is top 40/CHR getting ready to start playing rock oriented hits again? One local CHR station where I live plays Beck's Dreams in their gold rotation and also charted Italian band Maneskin with a remake of Beggin'.  https://fm96.com/playlist/

 

May 9, 2022 11:00 am  #37


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When I tire of traditional Classic Rock I switch to KOZT "The Coast" in Ft. Bragg, Ca. Played this morning: Dig A Little Deeper In The Well-Eric Bibb, There Must Be A Better World Somewhere-B.B. King/Dr. John, Sugar Magnolia-Grateful Dead, Looking For My Life-George Harrison, Downhill From Everywhere-Jackson Browne, Cruise Control-Bruce Hornsby, Life During Wartime-Talking Heads, Walk On-U2, Heart Of Stone- Rolling Stones, Sweet Evening Breeze-JohnMellencamp. The station is locally owned in a small town [7300]with most of their ad revenue coming from local vendors. The market probably isn't measured by any ratings service, so they can afford to have a wide and deep playlist.

 

May 9, 2022 10:55 pm  #38


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mace wrote:

When I tire of traditional Classic Rock I switch to KOZT "The Coast" in Ft. Bragg, Ca. Played this morning: Dig A Little Deeper In The Well-Eric Bibb, There Must Be A Better World Somewhere-B.B. King/Dr. John, Sugar Magnolia-Grateful Dead, Looking For My Life-George Harrison, Downhill From Everywhere-Jackson Browne, Cruise Control-Bruce Hornsby, Life During Wartime-Talking Heads, Walk On-U2, Heart Of Stone- Rolling Stones, Sweet Evening Breeze-JohnMellencamp. The station is locally owned in a small town [7300]with most of their ad revenue coming from local vendors. The market probably isn't measured by any ratings service, so they can afford to have a wide and deep playlist.

I have been  checking this station out. Thanks.

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May 9, 2022 11:15 pm  #39


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mace wrote:

When I tire of traditional Classic Rock I switch to KOZT "The Coast" in Ft. Bragg, Ca. Played this morning: Dig A Little Deeper In The Well-Eric Bibb, There Must Be A Better World Somewhere-B.B. King/Dr. John, Sugar Magnolia-Grateful Dead, Looking For My Life-George Harrison, Downhill From Everywhere-Jackson Browne, Cruise Control-Bruce Hornsby, Life During Wartime-Talking Heads, Walk On-U2, Heart Of Stone- Rolling Stones, Sweet Evening Breeze-JohnMellencamp. The station is locally owned in a small town [7300]with most of their ad revenue coming from local vendors. The market probably isn't measured by any ratings service, so they can afford to have a wide and deep playlist.

I used to listen to KOZT a bit in the early 2000's and about 8 yrs ago I taped some stuff from the station and if there was such a station here I would definitely listen to them in the car. I believe they are run by a gent named Tom Yates, who if memory serves me correctly, worked at free form poineer KSAN FM in San Fran.

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May 10, 2022 4:12 am  #40


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Deep cuts = big loss in listeners. People like familiar songs to bring back memories and provide comfort. Playing a song that a majority of the population is unfamiliar with will cause them to change stations, which… in market 1 (PPM Toronto), not a smart strategic move.

As for songs getting complaints & getting pulled, not 100% true. Depending on the situation, some songs do get “rested” until a situation returns to normal or tapers off. Stations don’t pull songs because one person complains about it - that is ridiculous. One person does not speak for 1000’s or in Toronto’s case, millions.

 

May 10, 2022 10:08 am  #41


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Fitz wrote:

mace wrote:

When I tire of traditional Classic Rock I switch to KOZT "The Coast" in Ft. Bragg, Ca. Played this morning: Dig A Little Deeper In The Well-Eric Bibb, There Must Be A Better World Somewhere-B.B. King/Dr. John, Sugar Magnolia-Grateful Dead, Looking For My Life-George Harrison, Downhill From Everywhere-Jackson Browne, Cruise Control-Bruce Hornsby, Life During Wartime-Talking Heads, Walk On-U2, Heart Of Stone- Rolling Stones, Sweet Evening Breeze-JohnMellencamp. The station is locally owned in a small town [7300]with most of their ad revenue coming from local vendors. The market probably isn't measured by any ratings service, so they can afford to have a wide and deep playlist.

I used to listen to KOZT a bit in the early 2000's and about 8 yrs ago I taped some stuff from the station and if there was such a station here I would definitely listen to them in the car. I believe they are run by a gent named Tom Yates, who if memory serves me correctly, worked at free form poineer KSAN FM in San Fran.

You are correct about Tom Yates. He also holds down the night shift there plus hosting a local talent show "Local Licks" and their Sunday Morning "Breakfast With The Beatles"

 

May 16, 2022 9:51 pm  #42


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I'm not saying I disagree with many here about the ongoing ennui some have with classic rock. But I came across this article that tries to argue exactly the opposite. See what you think. 

"Classic Rock welcomed more stations to the format in the past two years than anyone of other than the Contemporary Christian Music format. Classic Hits and Classic Rock have shown the most audience growth at a time when many other formats are losing audience. Go to a bar on Trivia Night and you see thirty-somethings and forty-somethings playing “name the oldie” and answering trivia questions from a time before they were born. Clubs playing 80s and 90s music attract an audience as young as college age."

The Era of Vintage

 

May 16, 2022 10:42 pm  #43


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I can, by in large, no longer listen commercial rock/classic rock radio and the endless commercial breaks and very narrow and repetitive playlists, especially with the CanCon requirements in Canada, major music burnout for me. I do, more so, enjoy the USA public stations doing AAA with knowledgeable hosts, and I gather, human curated content, as they advertise.

 

May 16, 2022 11:21 pm  #44


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ten more they can play:

nobody knows - rod srewart
rain - the beatles
sugar mama - mungo jerry
seagull - bad company 
sorrow - david bowie
let it rain - eric clapton 
brothers in arms - dire straits 
only you know & i know - dave mason
the man's too strong - dire straits
can't find my way home - blind faith

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May 17, 2022 4:59 am  #45


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Wonderwall will make me change the station.
Looking at you Boom 97.3 🤨

 

May 17, 2022 5:34 am  #46


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This is not really classic rock related but speaking of Mungo Jerry as someone above did. I never heard the song Pushbike Song by The Mixtures when it was released but I heard later on FM 108 a few times and surprisingly the DJ's never mentioned the similarity to In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry including the Marc Bolanesque vocal touches. Eventually Mungo Jerry covered the song but here is the original:






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May 17, 2022 1:27 pm  #47


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Fitz, I had the same reaction as you when I first heard Pushbike Song on FM108. But eventually I came to realize that it was one of those songs that they were playing to fulfill their non-hit quota, and my guess is that they might not have wanted to mention Mungo Jerry and have listeners wonder why they weren't just playing In The Summertime instead (I had that reaction to it originally anyway, but I can still see where they wouldn't have wanted to encourage that). They certainly came up with a lot of creative ways of dealing with the non-hit issue. 

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May 17, 2022 4:42 pm  #48


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betaylored wrote:

Wonderwall will make me change the station.
Looking at you Boom 97.3 🤨

Pretty well any Tragically Hip song has me doing the same thing <ducking for cover>.
 

 

May 17, 2022 4:55 pm  #49


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I do remember hearing the Pushbike Song on the radio and thought it was Mungo Jerry. Both In The Summertime and the Pushbike song came out in 1970.  When I heard it on the radio, it was after In The Summertime and I thought it was the follow up song. Mungo Jerry eventually did record the song in 1990.   The Pushbike Song got to #44 on Billboard and #31 in Canada, peaking at #11 on the A/C charts. 

 

May 17, 2022 5:28 pm  #50


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The solution is easy....

1. Bring on a Music Director who knows their stuff. Then let them go to work. 

2. Bring on a Program Director who has creativity and a genuine feel for communication. Then let that person get to work. 

It may take a year or so to build that station - but when they do sales will skyrocket.
 

 

May 17, 2022 7:53 pm  #51


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Fitz wrote:

This is not really classic rock related but speaking of Mungo Jerry as someone above did. I never heard the song Pushbike Song by The Mixtures when it was released but I heard later on FM 108 a few times and surprisingly the DJ's never mentioned the similarity to In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry including the Marc Bolanesque vocal touches. Eventually Mungo Jerry covered the song but here is the original:





Christ, was that awful.

 

 

May 18, 2022 8:15 am  #52


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Charlie wrote:

Fitz wrote:

This is not really classic rock related but speaking of Mungo Jerry as someone above did. I never heard the song Pushbike Song by The Mixtures when it was released but I heard later on FM 108 a few times and surprisingly the DJ's never mentioned the similarity to In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry including the Marc Bolanesque vocal touches. Eventually Mungo Jerry covered the song but here is the original:





Christ, was that awful.

 

 
Question: Why do they call it a pushbike? You don't push it, you pedal it.

 

May 18, 2022 8:48 pm  #53


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Tq345 wrote:

Charlie wrote:

Fitz wrote:

This is not really classic rock related but speaking of Mungo Jerry as someone above did. I never heard the song Pushbike Song by The Mixtures when it was released but I heard later on FM 108 a few times and surprisingly the DJ's never mentioned the similarity to In The Summertime by Mungo Jerry including the Marc Bolanesque vocal touches. Eventually Mungo Jerry covered the song but here is the original:



Christ, was that awful.

 

 
Question: Why do they call it a pushbike? You don't push it, you pedal it.

This is the first thing I got when I googled:

As others have said, the push in "push bike" refers to having to push on the pedals to make it move. It only came about to distinguish from motorized versions once they became a thing. Lots of things get named like this, and then the extra adjective gets dropped after (if) it they become the dominant form
 


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