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May 18, 2020 3:32 pm  #31

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

Dial Twister wrote:

In 2001...Black renounced his Canadian citizenship, remaining a United Kingdom citizen, which allowed him to accept the peerage (Baron Black of Crossharbour) without further controversy.

In 2007, he was convicted on four counts of fraud in U.S. District Court in Chicago. While two of the criminal fraud charges were dropped on appeal, a conviction for felony fraud and obstruction of justice were upheld in 2010 and he was re-sentenced to 42 months in prison and a fine of $125,000. In 2018, Black wrote a flattering biography of Donald Trump. In 2019, Trump granted him a full presidential pardon. (That alone should disqualify him from anything but membership in tRump's Grifter Club).

The Governor General of Canada, David Johnston, announced Black's removal from the Order of Canada and his expulsion from the Queen's Privy Council for Canada in January 2014.

Oh, and lets not forget his cavalier, money-grabbing treatment of Dominion Store pensioners. These character faults tell us everything we need to know about this former-Canadian huckster. His opinions may entertain the easily-entertained, but I try to avoid hearing from this ex-con, former-Canadian (now musing about re-applying when the coast is clear) miscreant whenever possible.


Other than that, he's a swell guy!


May 18, 2020 5:24 pm  #32

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

All the negatives about Black are mostly true. And yes he defends Mr. Trump since the prez sprung him from jail a bit early. If Black outlives Trump no doubt we will hear what he really thinks of the 45th US president or if his words of support are just a part of a "gentleman's deal" with Trump.  At some point we will find out. 

In my humble opinion, Black should be heard and and seen from time to time on our media, and on a national basis.  Why? Because hate him or love him he gets a response.

Look at this little post and all the reaction and views.  Go on the National Post site where he and Rex Murphy normally get the most response and comments from their articles..  I still miss Rex on the National. I love the way he is critical of his old employer but still doesn't totally trash them either. Hhhmm..I wonder if Rex leaving The National in June 2017 had any impact on their ratings or was it all Peter?

I like the way that Black and Murphy actually say something.  So many of our regular "pundits" on CBC, CTV, Global are so predictable and don't really say much.

All three networks will have have someone sort of from the left, sort of from the right, and someone else sort of in the middle.  Really riveting broadcasting? NOT. Some pundits also seem to have weak qualifications, or only a mouthpiece for an industry or union, and a few not well suited for television or radio..

Black's opinions are not boring. I love the way he challenges Canada, Canadians, our government and society to stop being so second rate and mediocre. If you read his columns it is obvious he does love his country, but he is tired of the way many Canadians seem to be so disengaged, complain endlessly and tend to sleepwalk their way through life. Initially a supporter of Trudeau, now he is one of his biggest critics. 

Our somewhat lazy, boring, second rate, news media needs more people on air like Conrad Black, not less.  And not only from the right but left and squishy middle as well.  People who at times say unpopular things, make others justify their biases and get the viewer or listener fired up or applauding the discussion. 

The pundits I see on TV and on radio now often sound uninterested and some haven't said anything new or interesting in the past decade.   I don't mean shout fests, infotainment news, or extreme polarization, but commentators who question norms and attitudes and stand by what they believe, and can justify and clearly articulate their opinions with facts. People that make you think, and force you to reevaluate your own positions and biases, and at least consider another point of view.  

When Conrad owned Southam years ago, for over a year the newspaper where I was working ran a weekly Saturday editorial from his wife, Barbara Amiel.  In fact we had no choice, all of the papers ran her column.  Guess what happened?

From the first week, her editorials generated many local letters to the editor (initially mostly negative but not all).  In fact she was the only columnist that provoked regular discussion every single week.  And not only that, when calling on advertising customers, I was astounded how many advertisers would comment on Amiels articles.
After many, many years, people on the street were talking about the paper again.  As Austin Powers would say, we got our mojo back.  Even on local talk radio, callers would comment on Amiel's opinion pieces. 

Within a few months it was obvious Barbara Amiel's editorials had become a must read every Saturday in our paper. I always made sure I was up to date on her content since at some point her name and her opinions would likely come up in conversation.

So if only for this, someone like Conrad should be sought out by media, and not ignored. The challenge would be to find Black's opposite to challenge him in debate and make him justify his viewpoint.  Then the viewer/listener is a more engaged and informed citizen. 

Who knows, politics and our news media might even become interesting and even fun again.

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May 18, 2020 5:58 pm  #33

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

paterson1 wrote:

Guess what happened?

According to some, she used her skills to soften his hardness.


June 26, 2020 5:54 pm  #34

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

Has anyone noticed that Lord Black's Friday pronouncements seem to have disappeared from 640's airwaves? Second week in a row that he hasn't been on in his old Friday 4:30 slot. No mention of his absence. Has he gone the way of Sue-Ann Levy? 


June 28, 2020 4:12 pm  #35

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

RadioActive wrote:

Has anyone noticed that Lord Black's Friday pronouncements seem to have disappeared from 640's airwaves?

No, but apparently someone in charge at the station had a moment of clarity.


June 28, 2020 4:56 pm  #36

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

Chrisphen wrote:

RadioActive wrote:

Has anyone noticed that Lord Black's Friday pronouncements seem to have disappeared from 640's airwaves?

No, but apparently someone in charge at the station had a moment of clarity.

Lord Black's appearance with Oakley was my only 'appointment radio' segment of the week.  Who will replace him, Desmond Cole?  Wouldn't be surprised in this day and age.


June 28, 2020 5:09 pm  #37

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

Black claims he went on the air to say he didn't believe there was systemic racism in Canada - not that there isn't any at all. He blames a faction in Corus for the decision to cut ties with him. 

The company is especially sensitive about this right now, after several of its own employees came out with tales alleging racism within the organization. Given the bad PR that's generated, they likely felt they had no other choice but to let him go. 

The question now is: are you allowed to express a different opinion to anyone without it costing you your job? There is no excuse for racism of any kind in any organization. But it appears if you even express a slight difference of opinion from the majority about what that means, you're dead meat and your career ends. I'm not a huge Conrad Black fan, but this trend of silencing people who don't 100% share your view is starting to make me very nervous.


June 28, 2020 6:47 pm  #38

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Doesn't this really get into the area of programming? Is it not understood that pundits like Black are speaking for themselves and not Corus? Isn't that why the company wanted him as a weekly guest in the first place? Didn't they want Black on Oakley's show because of his opinions, his personality and viewpoints? Just because Conrad appears on a Corus program does not mean the company in any way agrees or endorses his politics. This is so basic, and if it is not understood, then simply say at the top of Black's weekly time that the opinions expressed are his and his alone. 

He has already written in the National Post that he doesn't believe there is systemic racism in Canada and he wrote why he feels this way. We are free to agree or disagree with him and say so.  If he was to say the same thing  on air, what is the problem? He can be challenged by the host or another guest to prove his opinions and defend them. The whole point of having someone like Black as  a newspaper columnist or talk show guest is to provoke debate on why his take is wrong or right.  Too bad Corus is letting internal company politics interfere with what appears on air. The two are not the same thing and should remain separate. 


June 29, 2020 10:29 am  #39

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

Kosmos Kagool wrote:

With Greg Carrasco and Conrad Black both gone, AM 640 is moving from Frank's Red Hot to mayonnaise  

Hahaha..good one Kosmos!


June 29, 2020 11:51 am  #40

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

I don't like political correctness of any stripe, left, centre or right. But here's an idea - could we get away from political correctness by actually having conversations between parties who disagree with each other? We have some of that already with some of the roundtables. I'd like to hear Conrad and Desmond on together, and listen to the potential clash of views. Or, perhaps be surprised by even small areas where they discover some level of agreement. How about truly exciting, provocative radio rather than one-sided rants, which are so utterly predictable. Creative teams led by smart, adept program directors could come up with novel discussion topics that reflect what's going on in the moment. And intelligently and thoughtfully pierce the heart of some of topics that are utterly precarious, like the use of racial epithets, or methods of bridging gender gaps in the workplace, or measures taken to address COVID, or ways to address and even reverse economic inequality, and so on. It also doesn't have to be exclusively left versus right. I'd love to hear factions within the left - anarchists and socialists, for instance - debating each other. Or from the right, Log Cabin Republicans and Red Tories taking to the mic with social conservatives. With a serious amount of that kind of debate on the radio, it might be more tolerable to endure a brief, pointed, well articulated rant or two, and offered from different perspectives.


June 29, 2020 12:56 pm  #41

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

I would like to see this idea, too, and it is being done, albeit in a very limited way. On Sunday's "Question Period," Evan Solomon had Richard Fowler, a former diplomat who was held hostage by the Taliban and Dick Fadden, the former Canadian National Security Advisor, on together to discuss the Two Michaels hostage taking in China. 

The former was one of the signatories to the letter urging the P.M. to let the Huawei chair go, while the other argued we can't give into blackmail. The segment was too short, but at least it had what Joni Mitchell might call "Both Sides Now." 

Unfortunately, it's a rarity these days. There are a lot of reasons for it in my mind. Time limitations usually prevent having two competing opinions on at the same time. Some hosts frankly don't think about it. A few are very slanted to begin with (which is why, as an example, you rarely hear Conservative guests on CBC Radio.)

And then there are the opposing factions themselves. I remember being involved in some radio talk shows with guests who refused to appear "if he's (referring to his opinionated opponent) on with me."

I've long wondered whatever happened to the political sides in the middle. It seems everything - left or right - literally only goes to extremes now. Your wish is a good one. I'm just sorry to say as we get more polarized, it's less likely to come true.


June 29, 2020 5:40 pm  #43

Re: Lord Black weighs in on CBC

Charlie wrote:

Who will replace him, Desmond Cole?  Wouldn't be surprised in this day and age.

Don't give people free ideas.