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Bell Canada recently sent out notices to various neighbourhoods warning that keeping up POTS - short for Plain Old Telephone Service - was going the way of the dodo. So if you still have one, they're coming for you. The company says the cost of repair, combined with endless copper thefts, is simply not worth it anymore since most people now depend on their cellphones.
So if you have one of those old cordless phones - or even a wall phone - you're eventually going to be permanently disconnected. The Toronto Star has a story about how this affected one eldery man, who found himself without a phone to use when he needed it most.
It's a pretty scary tale and I'm betting it won't be the only one. I have both a cellphone and a landline, so this will affect me. Why have I not hung up on this old tech? The answer is simple: in the event of a true emergency or a blackout, that phone always, always works - something I can't definitively say about my cell service.
It's like an insurance policy and despite the cost, I'm not looking forward to giving it up when Big Blue comes calling in my area with the shut-off warning. It's been a figurative life saver in emergencies past and I admit to being nervous to have this potential lifeline pulled away.
Old fashioned? Maybe. But I'll still miss that non-wireless wonder when its time comes. And I hate hanging up on it.
I wonder if anyone else is in this soon to be landline-less wilderness or cares about losing it?
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While we ditched Bell way back in 2012, we still sort of have a "land line". We're with Cogeco, and have been using their VOIP-based home phone service since just after our '12 wedding, though we don't use it quite as much as we used to. To bring this to the topic of radio, my former employer purchased a station years ago that was using phone service through the cable company, and they could use their "Tieline" remote box (used primarily for hockey broadcasts) in POTS mode on that phone line, but not the VOIP service they switched to a couple of years later across the group. Had to go IP for the Tieline at both ends, with either wi-fi or a mobile hub from one of the carriers.
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I like my landline for a few reasons:
- It's used when I have to give a number but I don't really want to give my number. But this is becoming infrequent with the phone. I much more often use a Yahoo address for this same purpose - online transactions, other businesses or entities where I'm asked for an e-mail address. Only if it's personal or important do I use my main e-mail. The success is measured in the amount of spam each address receives (one a fair bit, the other almost never), and how relatively little I'm pestered by people or entities I don't want to talk to.
- For work it's a valuable back-up. Phone interviewees get my landline as a back-up in case I don't pick up my cell or in the rare event my cell might not work when I'm at home. It's helped me often enough that it's been worth the expense. We also have a landline at the North Kawartha site, but the line there seems to go down whenever the power goes out because the two are carried on the same pole - it's a rural thing, and I've long considered ditching it, except that it could be a lifeline in the event of an emergency. I have also heard that the lines will go dead after a couple days during a prolonged outage there ... we've had up to two weeks in a go, and indeed the landline never lasts long.
- I know people in my age cohort - early-mid 60s - who don't have a cellphone and don't want one. There's lots of reasons I don't like them, as well. They're intrusive, some people expect 24/7 availability, and more. There's some things I like - the ability to text rather than talk can be quick and efficient, and it's handy in many ways on the road.
In the end it's much like door-to-door postal service, or frankly postal service at all save for packages. And cash (which I find worrisome). And radio. Darwin is coming for them all.
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Bell has been aggressively moving people off of POTS for years now. If you've moved home services to/from Bell, moved, or upgraded your internet, you're probably already VOIP.
There will always be mistakes and outliers like in the article, but the transition has been largely unnoticeable.
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RadioAaron wrote:
Bell has been aggressively moving people off of POTS for years now. If you've moved home services to/from Bell, moved, or upgraded your internet, you're probably already VOIP.
There will always be mistakes and outliers like in the article, but the transition has been largely unnoticeable.
I have my landline phone service with Tek Savvy, which I think piggybacks on Bell lines. But I can say there have been a few occasions over the years (specifically the December 2013 ice storm) when that phone line was my outlet to the outside world for days. That taught me the importance of having a back-up. It will be a weird felling if it goes. But for the moment, I haven't received any notice about changes. So I'll ride with it as long as it goes.
And for the record, I'm not an iconoclast, but I really, really hate my cell phone. It's unnecessarily complicated for most of my needs, it's horribly intrusive, and it gets in the way most of the time. I probably use it less than anyone here. But it's a necessity these days, so it's not going anywhere.
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Tek Savvy home phone is VOIP.
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RadioAaron wrote:
Tek Savvy home phone is VOIP.
Not what they told me. It works even when my home connection is down or the power is out. Can VOIP do that?
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You got in just in time!
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So when is this going to happen?
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I was told by my friend that it's been ongoing in various neighbourhoods over the past few months and even years. He just had to go all cell.
When will this change come to your neck of the woods? Maybe Bell can tell you.
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You can still have home phone if you have home internet. It's just a change in the way it's delivered. You'd never notice day-to-day. The numbers aren't publicly available, but it must be the majority of home phone customers that have already been switched.
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My friend told me Bell had offered to rent him or sell him an uninterrupted power supply to keep his old landline going, to be used in the event of a power outage. It was an extra expense he didn't want to pay, so he opted to go cell only, porting his home number over to the cell.
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I had Rogers home phone for a bit almost twenty years ago and the phone "modem" had a battery backup. The thing was relatively big and heavy and the battery didn't last very long - but it worked. I'm sure they could make a smaller, longer-lasting one now, but the demand must not be there.
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"The answer is simple: in the event of a true emergency or a blackout, that phone always, always works - something I can't definitively say about my cell service."
I always thought the same. However, in one instance, the power went out in our neighbourhood and not only did we lose electrical, we of course lost internet and cell service, but I also lost my Bell POTS landline. I'm on the border of York and Etobicoke east of the Humber River. Now on Rogers VOIP.
I also have my cell phone call forwarded to home almost all the time and my base station and cordless phones have call block ability, with silent first ring. Not a lot of annoying calls get heard anymore.
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The Weed wrote:
"=12pxThe answer is simple: in the event of a true emergency or a blackout, that phone always, always works - something I can't definitively say about my cell service."
I always thought the same. However, in one instance, the power went out in our neighbourhood and not only did we lose electrical, we of course lost internet and cell service, but I also lost my Bell POTS landline. I'm on the border of York and Etobicoke east of the Humber River. Now on Rogers VOIP.
Question: Was your POTS phone one of those cordless models? They depend on electricity. I have a very old corded phone that plugs into a wall outlet. That's the only one that kept working when the juice disappeared. And boy, was I happy it was there!
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I've never lost cell service in a blackout.
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Bell only has the original copper on my street in Mississauga.Fiber came down main community road 10 years ago then nothing. They are losing many potential customers .No upgrade notices here.
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RadioAaron wrote:
I've never lost cell service in a blackout.
All I can tell you is that ice storm was no ordinary event, and must have damaged the cell tower or equipment in my area. That corded phone was the only one that worked.
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RadioActive wrote:
The Weed wrote:
"=12pxThe answer is simple: in the event of a true emergency or a blackout, that phone always, always works - something I can't definitively say about my cell service."
I always thought the same. However, in one instance, the power went out in our neighbourhood and not only did we lose electrical, we of course lost internet and cell service, but I also lost my Bell POTS landline. I'm on the border of York and Etobicoke east of the Humber River. Now on Rogers VOIP.Question: Was your POTS phone one of those cordless models? They depend on electricity. I have a very old corded phone that plugs into a wall outlet. That's the only one that kept working when the juice disappeared. And boy, was I happy it was there!
It had a battery backup. I also have an old rotary phone stored away. I plugged it in and still no service on the POTS line. One and only time I remember losing a POTS line in Toronto.
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The Weed wrote:
RadioActive wrote:
The Weed wrote:
"=12pxThe answer is simple: in the event of a true emergency or a blackout, that phone always, always works - something I can't definitively say about my cell service."
I always thought the same. However, in one instance, the power went out in our neighbourhood and not only did we lose electrical, we of course lost internet and cell service, but I also lost my Bell POTS landline. I'm on the border of York and Etobicoke east of the Humber River. Now on Rogers VOIP.Question: Was your POTS phone one of those cordless models? They depend on electricity. I have a very old corded phone that plugs into a wall outlet. That's the only one that kept working when the juice disappeared. And boy, was I happy it was there!
It had a battery backup. I also have an old rotary phone stored away. I plugged it in and still no service on the POTS line. One and only time I remember losing a POTS line in Toronto.
First time I've heard of that happening. It's certainly an eerie feeling being cut off from the world like that. Thank God for battery operated radios, for those who still have one of those.
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The Weed wrote:
RadioActive wrote:
The Weed wrote:
"=12pxThe answer is simple: in the event of a true emergency or a blackout, that phone always, always works - something I can't definitively say about my cell service."
I always thought the same. However, in one instance, the power went out in our neighbourhood and not only did we lose electrical, we of course lost internet and cell service, but I also lost my Bell POTS landline. I'm on the border of York and Etobicoke east of the Humber River. Now on Rogers VOIP.Question: Was your POTS phone one of those cordless models? They depend on electricity. I have a very old corded phone that plugs into a wall outlet. That's the only one that kept working when the juice disappeared. And boy, was I happy it was there!
It had a battery backup. I also have an old rotary phone stored away. I plugged it in and still no service on the POTS line. One and only time I remember losing a POTS line in Toronto.
All phones require electricity. The more basic corded ones get it from the phone line itself, and that source is subject to outages like any other.