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March 23, 2025 7:13 am  #1


CKTB Having More Signal Issues

You may remember last month when CKTB went off the air for days, with no real explanation. It took almost a week, but they finally came back to what sounded like normal. 

Until now.

I tried to listen to their entertaining weekend morning show early Sunday, and could barely hear them. They're there, but with obviously vastly reduced power. It was so bad, what I think was WTVN was almost as loud as they were. 

In a podcast featured on Broadcast Dialogue not long ago, new owner Michael Caine of Whiteoaks - which has yet to officially take over - mused some of his acquired stations would possibly be getting a new transmitter. Makes me wonder if he was talking about 610. 

 

March 23, 2025 7:33 am  #2


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Apparently, I'm not the only one who's noticed.

A listener from Oshawa sent them a text to say he could no longer hear them and was turning the station off. Host Karl Dockstater acknowledged the issue, did not say what was causing it or how long it might last and advised listening online. 

Whatever is going on, it's a longstanding issue and I hope they finally fix it once and for all. 

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March 23, 2025 11:16 am  #3


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CKTB's operating certificate shows that they are licensed for 1 kW standby operation, whereas the normal day power is 10 kW and the night power is 5 kW. For daytime that represents a 10 dB reduction in signal strength, and for night 7 dB. If their main transmitter has failed, that would explain the significant drop in signal strength.

 

March 23, 2025 1:22 pm  #4


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The hamster is anemic?  Might I suggest Geritol!

 

March 23, 2025 7:41 pm  #5


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In Kawarthas, CKTB seems pretty much normal. It's now just prior to sunset. Weak Philly (Black Information Network) underneath on south antenna. But that's normal.

 

April 7, 2025 6:22 am  #6


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We still don't know exactly what caused the long outage that took CKTB off the air for a week, but it appears the issues still haven't been fixed. On the weekend, I heard carrier current on 610, but no programming. That sounded like an automation problem, but when the audio finally came back after at least an hour, what came through the speaker was a signal so weak, I had to turn up my radio a lot just to hear it. 

Nothing has changed on Monday. CKTB used to put a great signal into Toronto. It hasn't been that way in weeks. This is only a guess, but whatever is going on, I can't help but wonder if Bell is choosing to leave the thing on lower power until new owner Whiteoaks takes ownership of the station. 

Why spend money fixing the issue when you can leave it to your competitor?

Whatever is happening, they're either unable or in no hurry to fix the problem. 

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April 7, 2025 7:43 am  #7


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Saul wrote:

In Kawarthas, CKTB seems pretty much normal. It's now just prior to sunset. Weak Philly (Black Information Network) underneath on south antenna. But that's normal.

Any chance you could post some photos of your DX setup? It is probably quite impressive considering some of the stations you have received.

 

April 7, 2025 8:00 am  #8


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RadioActive wrote:

We still don't know exactly what caused the long outage that took CKTB off the air for a week, but it appears the issues still haven't been fixed. On the weekend, I heard carrier current on 610, but no programming. That sounded like an automation problem, but when the audio finally came back after at least an hour, what came through the speaker was a signal so weak, I had to turn up my radio a lot just to hear it. 

Nothing has changed on Monday. CKTB used to put a great signal into Toronto. It hasn't been that way in weeks. This is only a guess, but whatever is going on, I can't help but wonder if Bell is choosing to leave the thing on lower power until new owner Whiteoaks takes ownership of the station. 

Why spend money fixing the issue when you can leave it to your competitor?

Whatever is happening, they're either unable or in no hurry to fix the problem. 

Is it possible there is no transmitter problem? The fact that a clear CKTB signal is no longer available in the GTA is of no concern to Bell. Perhaps they have reduced the signal strength to save a few bucks. The city of St. Catharines still gets a good signal which covers the legal obligations. The Bell bean counters would approve.

 

April 7, 2025 8:36 am  #9


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mace wrote:

RadioActive wrote:

We still don't know exactly what caused the long outage that took CKTB off the air for a week, but it appears the issues still haven't been fixed. On the weekend, I heard carrier current on 610, but no programming. That sounded like an automation problem, but when the audio finally came back after at least an hour, what came through the speaker was a signal so weak, I had to turn up my radio a lot just to hear it. 

Nothing has changed on Monday. CKTB used to put a great signal into Toronto. It hasn't been that way in weeks. This is only a guess, but whatever is going on, I can't help but wonder if Bell is choosing to leave the thing on lower power until new owner Whiteoaks takes ownership of the station. 

Why spend money fixing the issue when you can leave it to your competitor?

Whatever is happening, they're either unable or in no hurry to fix the problem. 

Is it possible there is no transmitter problem? The fact that a clear CKTB signal is no longer available in the GTA is of no concern to Bell. Perhaps they have reduced the signal strength to save a few bucks. The city of St. Catharines still gets a good signal which covers the legal obligations. The Bell bean counters would approve.

An interesting question. But would the government object to a power reduction solely to save costs? Aren't they licenced to broadcast at a certain wattage and thereby obliged to be there, barring technical issues?

I'm not sure what the rules are on this. Anyone know? Could a station reduce its allotted power just to save money?

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April 7, 2025 9:26 am  #10


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What about CKOC? They operate at 50K daytime but only 20K at night. I think originally they had to protect a French language Ottawa station on the same frequency.

 

April 7, 2025 10:08 am  #11


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mace wrote:

Saul wrote:

In Kawarthas, CKTB seems pretty much normal. It's now just prior to sunset. Weak Philly (Black Information Network) underneath on south antenna. But that's normal.

Any chance you could post some photos of your DX setup? It is probably quite impressive considering some of the stations you have received.

Not until October, unfortunately. I dismantled the main antenna. Or, rather, it dismantled itself in the recent ice storm. I put it away, given we're unlikely to have power for a week or more. The generator also failed due to a limb damaging a pipe leading to the propane tank. It's a SxxxShow up there. South antenna still up but it's a small one, it's folded up, and I'm taking it down too. They're basically 20x20x30 inch triangles made with 14-gauge insulated copper wire and an amplifier etc... nothing complicated or expensive.

 

April 7, 2025 10:15 am  #12


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Saul wrote:

mace wrote:

Saul wrote:

In Kawarthas, CKTB seems pretty much normal. It's now just prior to sunset. Weak Philly (Black Information Network) underneath on south antenna. But that's normal.

Any chance you could post some photos of your DX setup? It is probably quite impressive considering some of the stations you have received.

Not until October, unfortunately. I dismantled the main antenna. Or, rather, it dismantled itself in the recent ice storm. I put it away, given we're unlikely to have power for a week or more. The generator also failed due to a limb damaging a pipe leading to the propane tank. It's a SxxxShow up there. South antenna still up but it's a small one, it's folded up, and I'm taking it down too. They're basically 20x20x30 inch triangles made with 14-gauge insulated copper wire and an amplifier etc... nothing complicated or expensive.

Hopefully your antenna system is repairable. What receiver or receivers do you use?

 

April 7, 2025 10:35 am  #13


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mace wrote:

Saul wrote:

mace wrote:


Any chance you could post some photos of your DX setup? It is probably quite impressive considering some of the stations you have received.

Not until October, unfortunately. I dismantled the main antenna. Or, rather, it dismantled itself in the recent ice storm. I put it away, given we're unlikely to have power for a week or more. The generator also failed due to a limb damaging a pipe leading to the propane tank. It's a SxxxShow up there. South antenna still up but it's a small one, it's folded up, and I'm taking it down too. They're basically 20x20x30 inch triangles made with 14-gauge insulated copper wire and an amplifier etc... nothing complicated or expensive.

Hopefully your antenna system is repairable. What receiver or receivers do you use?

Only actual damage is the north wire pole bent and needs to be replaced. I will need to re-do the south antenna as it's old and badly corroded. It might have a few years left but I don't want it to snap in an ultra-cold January, so I'll work on the two of them in the fall.  AOR 7030Plus.

 

April 7, 2025 10:48 am  #14


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mace wrote:

What about CKOC? They operate at 50K daytime but only 20K at night. I think originally they had to protect a French language Ottawa station on the same frequency.

I recall seeing a technical change request from CKOC requesting they keep their day signal pattern during the night. Instead of a signal pattern change at sunset to maintain the 50 kilowatt output, they drop power to 20 kilowatts. This avoided costly switching devices / phasers and still protected other stations.
 

 

April 7, 2025 11:34 am  #15


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CKOC had a very complex 10 tower array which was apparently difficult to tune and unstable.  With certain Canadian co-channel stations having gone dark (such as 1150 Ottawa), it was possible to come up with a single six-tower array which met day protections at 50 kW and night at 20 kW.
One nice advantage of a single (DA-1) pattern is that you don't have a dramatic shift in coverage that two-pattern stations often have on night pattern. With the power reduction, the coverage shrinks but is not that noticeable until a couple of hours after sunset.

 

April 7, 2025 9:06 pm  #16


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CKTB's signal level is normal. It's the audio level that's very low. They should call up the very loud WBEN and see if they can borrow a spare AM exciter.

Sad though it has got to this state. What a waste of power as very few would likely be listening due to all the ambient RF noise these days on AM.