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This doesn't affect us here in Southern Ontario and most Americans wouldn't care either. However, for media geeks like me when a television station changes network affilliation, particularly in a large market, that is news. For almost 70 years WPLG 10 has been Miami's ABC affilliate. Because WPLG and ABC could not come to an agreement [Disney wanted too much money?] the alphabet network will move its programming to WSVN 7 effective August 4. However, the signal will be on sub-channel 7-2. 7-1 will remain FOX. WPLG will become an independent station.
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mace wrote:
This doesn't affect us here in Southern Ontario and most Americans wouldn't care either. However, for media geeks like me when a television station changes network affilliation, particularly in a large market, that is news. For almost 70 years WPLG 10 has been Miami's ABC affilliate. Because WPLG and ABC could not come to an agreement [Disney wanted too much money?] the alphabet network will move its programming to WSVN 7 effective August 4. However, the signal will be on sub-channel 7-2. 7-1 will remain FOX. WPLG will become an independent station.
I saw this story and didn't put it up because I wasn't sure if it was relevant to anyone here. Glad to see I was wrong. And yes, Disney wanted too much money - no question mark. It's the way this greedy company has operated since the days of my C-band satellite dish.
They were ALWAYS raising prices for stations no one wanted but they had the power to force it on providers. As someone who used to go to Miami on Christmas vacation when I was a kid, this is stunning news. WPLG has been the ABC affiliate there since before I was born. To change it now - relegated to a subcarrier no less - is stunning.
They may run Disney-Plus. But this is definitely a Disney-Minus. Despite their family friendly image, they are a terrible company.
ABC affiliation moving from WPLG to WSVN in Miami market
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This has got to be a slap in the face to ABC being relegated to a secondary subchannel. This happens occasionally in smaller markets but rarely in a major one. Can you imagine locally if WKBW was in a similar situation and became independent and ABC moved to 2-2 or 4-2. Interesting that when WKBW signed on in November 1958, the original plan was for it to be an independent station with WGR-ABC, WBEN-CBS and WBUF-NBC. When NBC shut down ch 17, WGR quickly snapped up the Peacock, which they lost in 1956. This left Buffalo without ABC programming, so ch 7 became affilliated with them
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This has got to be a slap in the face to ABC being relegated to a secondary subchannel. This happens occasionally in smaller markets but rarely in a major one. Can you imagine locally if WKBW was in a similar situation and became independent and ABC moved to 2-2 or 4-2. Interesting that when WKBW signed on in November 1958, the original plan was for it to be an independent station with WGR-ABC, WBEN-CBS and WBUF-NBC. When NBC shut down ch 17, WGR quickly snapped up the Peacock, which they lost in 1956. This left Buffalo without ABC programming, so ch 7 became affilliated with them
It’s either sign with a market leader with a very strong news department like WSVN, or go with independent WSFL 39, which has no news department. Their over the air signal can probably carry two 720p HD signals. Plus If Sunbeam, the owners of WSVN, can negotiate cable carriage, the new “ABC Miami” will be just fine.
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This is pretty geeky stuff, but I find it really interesting when things like this happen.
And it's not without precedent. You cited the Buffalo swap many years ago.
The one that really shocked me was in 1994, when longtime CBS affiliate WJBK Detroit wound up as a Fox network station, when Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. bought a share in the station and literally changed the channel.
CBS had to settle for a weak UHF, WGPR (now WWJ-TV) and for years, they didn't even have a news presence there. I'm still not sure they've recovered from the change and it's one of the weaker CBS affils in the entire country.
And then there's what happened in Rochester. WROC-TV had been the NBC station in that city since it signed on in 1949. But in 1989, it switched to CBS, forcing WHEC-TV, the longtime home of the Eye Network, to take NBC.
I often wondered how crazy it was for viewers there to get used to the idea, and having to change all their VCR settings to different stations. Imagine if WIVB started showing NBC programming, leaving Channel 2 to take CBS. Considering Channel 4 has been with CBS since 1949, it would take some getting used to.
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Hasn't happened in Toronto but has happened in our region with stations in Peterborough, Barrie, and Kingston switching from CBC to at various times, City/A-channel, CTV, and Global
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The largest affiliate change I can think of in Canada was Vancouver in 2001 when
CHAN went from CTV to Global
The former Baton independent became the local O&O CTV affiliate
and the the former Global station became a CITY tv station after a short stint as an independent.
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CHFD Thunder Bay was a CTV affiliate from 1972-2010. In 2010 after a dispute with CTV over programming agreements, they flipped to Global.
CKPR Thunder Bay (formerly CFPA TV and CFCJ) was a CBC affiliate from 1954 to 2014. They disaffiliated after CBC put in a rebroadcaster in the area. CKPR became an affiliate of CTV.
CBC, CTV and Global don't really have many affiliated stations anymore with private broadcasters. Most stations are owned by the networks.
CBC- 14 Owned & Operated broadcast stations
CTV- 22 O&O
Global- 15 O&O
City TV- 7 O&O
CTV 2- 7 O&O
With the exception of CBC all above have at least a few affiliated stations in conjunction with private independent broadcasters.
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Similar to what happened in Detroit, Cleveland saw WJW 8 become a FOX affilliate while CBS had to move to the much weaker WOIO 19.
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In 1989 there was a situation in Buffalo where WUTV 29 dropped the Fox network and it was transferred to WNYB 49 and in 1990 Fox was brought back to ch29 in a complicated deal
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RadioActive wrote:
I'm not sure this was my reaction when I was first exposed to TV, but I can see why he was astonished.
Though programming was pretty limited back then, they were very much the magical days of television.
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paterson1 wrote:
CHFD Thunder Bay was a CTV affiliate from 1972-2010. In 2010 after a dispute with CTV over programming agreements, they flipped to Global.
CKPR Thunder Bay (formerly CFPA TV and CFCJ) was a CBC affiliate from 1954 to 2014. They disaffiliated after CBC put in a rebroadcaster in the area. CKPR became an affiliate of CTV.
CBC, CTV and Global don't really have many affiliated stations anymore with private broadcasters. Most stations are owned by the networks.
CBC- 14 Owned & Operated broadcast stations
CTV- 22 O&O
Global- 15 O&O
City TV- 7 O&O
CTV 2- 7 O&O
With the exception of CBC all above have at least a few affiliated stations in conjunction with private independent broadcasters.
Another one in Ontario was in 1988 when CFPL and CKNX Wingham disaffiliated from the CBC and CBC put in the CBLN transmitters covering London, Wingham, and other parts of Southwestern Ontario. CFPL/CKNX went independent, but it was a disaster and they ended up having to sell the stations to Baton Broadcasting only 3 1/2 years later. They disaffiliated at a time CBC still had a strong primetime lineup, and it coincided with the launch of YTV, The Weather Network and various other specialty channels, as well as the expansion of CITY’s signal into the region. It seemed as though they wanted to replicate the success of independents CHCH or 2&7 Calgary, but in a market that was too small to support an independent (especially for CKNX).
I also have wondered what CBC intended for CBLN when it first launched. It had separate “CBLN in Southwestern Ontario” IDs, aired separate ads from CBLT, but rebroadcast CBC Toronto news. It seems as though they may have had bigger plans for the region that never materialized.
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Yes the CFPL/CKNX disaffiliation from CBC didn't work out well for the Blackburn stations. In the mid 80's the company was debt free and CFPL-TV was in expanded and renovated facilities. As you mentioned not many years after disaffiliation, the TV operation was losing big money and ratings had tumbled terribly. Without CBC daytime and primetime programming and sports like CBC Sportsweekend and Hockey Night in Canada the two stations were in big trouble.
Today CFPL TV is CTV 2 and CKNX-TV doesn't exist and is a repeater of CFPL. The studios and building are still in Wingham that also house three radio stations. I don't know if this is still the case but the highschool next door to CKNX had been renting space in the building for many years. I am assuming a studio or office space had been converted to classrooms. The CKNX building was fairly large, built in 1963.
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I was very young when CKNX and CFPL decided to go independent. I'm not sure but I think there were a few things going on in the back rooms with the CBC laying the ground work of getting rid of the affiliate stations. So it's not if they were going to leave CBC, it was when. Both stations did increase the amount of local programming. CFPL had a morning show that aired on both stations. CKNX started there news at 5:30pm that was mostly entertainment and at 11:30pm had a verity of other local shows from sports to history. On the weekends they begin there own farm show. They also still aired most of the local shows from CFPL. When CKNX closed down the only show that survived was the farm show "The Family Farmer". For the time that this show remained on the air they made a point of making sure this show was a production of CKNX.
On a side not, the final night of CKNX tv was a Sunday night. It was normal for lightning to hit the transmitter and knock them off the air. This night was no different. They were off the air for most of the night, but came back around 11:30 or so and did a final newscast from Wingham. They ended some time after midnight. I was a teenager watching all of this. The team at CFPL did everything they could to keep the brand name CKNX alive but nothing beats local programing made in the local community, having it sent in is just not the same.
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Here's how they announced the change
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Hansa wrote:
Here's how they announced the change
It sounds like it will be all news except for Mark & Kelly, Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy.
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paterson1 wrote:
Yes the CFPL/CKNX disaffiliation from CBC didn't work out well for the Blackburn stations. In the mid 80's the company was debt free and CFPL-TV was in expanded and renovated facilities. As you mentioned not many years after disaffiliation, the TV operation was losing big money and ratings had tumbled terribly. Without CBC daytime and primetime programming and sports like CBC Sportsweekend and Hockey Night in Canada the two stations were in big trouble.
Today CFPL TV is CTV 2 and CKNX-TV doesn't exist and is a repeater of CFPL. The studios and building are still in Wingham that also house three radio stations. I don't know if this is still the case but the highschool next door to CKNX had been renting space in the building for many years. I am assuming a studio or office space had been converted to classrooms. The CKNX building was fairly large, built in 1963.
I do remember CFPL TV's morning show brodcasted from the downtown garden market until it was axed back in 2009. as of today CTV London's logo from the downtown market is gone and CKLO-FM Classic Rock 98.1 is using the space.
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mace wrote:
Hansa wrote:
Here's how they announced the change
It sounds like it will be all news except for Mark & Kelly, Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy.
Sounds a bit like the hyperlocal approach channel 11 tried a few years ago. The major difference is Miami is a much bigger market than Hamilton/Niagara and Warren Buffet has much deeper pockets than Channel Zero so it'll be interesting to see how it works out.