Which is why I am so reluctant to vote Conservative here. I agree that the CBC needs a reboot - especially TV, but I don't want the English section decimated. 

Last edited by andysradio (January 23, 2025 11:31 am)

That was a specific case in which George Stephanopoulos said Trump was guilty of rape and not sexually abusing and defaming her, which was the verdict.

So yes, it was an unfortunate accidental use of the wrong term while he was ad libbing and the network paid the price for that mistake. 

None of which detracts from the fact the current occupant of the White House was found guilty of a pretty awful crime! 

As America hurtles down the road to fascism, there are plenty of Canadians who think, "Hey, us too!".

It's incredible how 80 years has blinded people to the insanity.

Yes, I kind of expected this might devolve into an Us vs. Them discussion. The real point I was making was not about left vs. right, but a real threat to the media - which is what we discuss here - and freedom of the press.

I'm not sure it's ever been so threatened in the more than 200 years the U.S. has existed. To me, nothing is more precious.

And my fear is, unlike in Nixon's time, corporate interests will give in to a megalomaniac's whims in order to keep their business models afloat. News used to be sacrosanct, immune from other areas of a business. I worry it's not that way anymore.

Well said RA. As this article in The Nation points out, the American media seems prepared to surrender its hard-won freedoms in the face of Trump's bluster in order to maintain access to the White House.

The Media is Giving Away Its Rights Even Before Trump Tries to Take Them

The purges are already in full swing in the government apparatus and academia. Some in the media are starting to feel it - a weather reporter in winconsin was allegedly fired after objecting to Elon Musk's nazi salutes.

The migrant roundups are also starting and will spread beyond 'illegal' immigrants (and eventually beyond immigrants altogether).

Expect a lot of dazed incomprehensible reactions from Americans. Few alive today have actually experienced what is currently under way.

The age of corporate media gatekeepers is over. They extinguished themselves. Trump is redressing what remains.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/02/opinion/freefalling-medias-grim-prospects-as-reach-influence-wane/

Forward Power wrote:

I am voting for quitting this board altogether because of the political crap. I am sick and tired of it! Every thread turns into a one side versus another argument. Do we really need to drag partisan politics into this board? No, no and NO.

If the political arguments on this board do not end now and permanently, I *will* have RA close my account and I will never again visit the SOWNY board.

That would be a real loss to us all. Or at least to me.

I try to avoid politics here as you know, but someone threatening news judgment lead me to make this one exception. I will try to keep this off here, but there's a lot of turmoil about to come crashing down on us all and I'm not sure how to stop it. I thought the fact there were three separate articles in virtually the same day about a potential crackdown on the information providers was an emergency.

I would ask you only to please skip this thread and look at the others. I hate the politics as much as you, but as a fan of freedom of speech in broadcasting, I fear for the future. This was a warning cry before it's too late.

Let's try and make this one of the last ones. Although with the passion many here feel about this subject, I can't guarantee it will be!

Jody Thornton wrote:

I just don't understand why veering into related politics irks you THAT much.  The two subjects (media AND politics) are indeed intertwined, and sometimes, I like getting a pulse of radio people's views.  Far right and mid-right viewpoint tend to bother me, and their rationale for things make me shake my head.  However, some of the political discussion is INDEED relevant.  I say, just skip the thread if it bothers you.

Ultimatums aren't helpful for deciding what should or should not be discussed on SOWNY. We might lose X number of people if we allow politics, but we might lose X number of people if we disallow politics. People who want to be here should be here. The Topic list in the index tells us pretty explicitly what's inside. I'll add, however, that there's a pretty clear line between discussion about media and politics, and partisanship. And somehow we sometimes fail to either see or care about that line. I'm interested in insight from all of you, but I don't need (or want) to know who you vote for (I can often figure it out, anyhow, because we generally drop enough clues, over time, in even casual, amicable, non-partisan discussion).

I don't think Donald Trump is the big bad guy everyone on the 'Left' thinks he is.

He's more like a useful idiot for the party and it's policies since he's so popular.   
He also partnered with RFK to set up a commission to study (and fix) america's health problem including childhood diabetes and autism rates.
link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIkPHeGKEHs

as for politics in the media, mass media has for a long time been either on one side or the other.  Anyone who can't understand that should just turn off the news. There is bias either way and misconceptions both ways too.

"=12pxDonald Trump, who famously branded any story that even remotely criticized him as "fake news."" --much of it was fake news.  There was no Russia connection ever proven for example so that nonsense spewed out on MSNBC and CNN for years was just BS.  Also take note that those 'democratic supporter' media largely ignored stories like the Hunter Biden situation out of convenience.

He's about putting USA manufacturing back to work and mostly that is why he got elected in the swing states.
 

Saul wrote:

The ultimatum wasn't yours...I quoted you because you spoke reasonably...

Well, I do appreciate that.  I try to be reasonable, but I don't always get it ...lol   My apologies for the misunderstanding.
 

Jody Thornton wrote:

Saul wrote:

The ultimatum wasn't yours...I quoted you because you spoke reasonably..

Well, I do appreciate that.  I try to be reasonable, but I don't always get it ...lol   My apologies for the misunderstanding.

No apology needed. I think we all just need a few good drinks. Yeah, that'll chill us all out. This whole thread is beginning to remind me of the Trudeau-brand wine bottle opener someone once gave me. It's OK with red wine. But when the cork breaks on a bottle of white, I blame Trudeau.

Scarboroughbluffsradiof99 wrote:

Chrisphen wrote:

The purges are already in full swing in the government apparatus and academia. Some in the media are starting to feel it - a weather reporter in winconsin was allegedly fired after objecting to Elon Musk's nazi salutes.

The migrant roundups are also starting and will spread beyond 'illegal' immigrants (and eventually beyond immigrants altogether).

Expect a lot of dazed incomprehensible reactions from Americans. Few alive today have actually experienced what is currently under way.

It neads to only stop at elegals and those spreading Strickt, arab islamic values.
Those muslims are making normal muslims like bosnians, albanians and gujarati/kuchi muslims look bad.
Send those arabs back to the middle east! and keep them there.I think the propper turm I'm looking for is ishmaili muslims.
The ishmaili's are proud Canadians while keeping the good parts of Indian and some pakistani culture.
I know some.
The ishmailis that I know also love Canadian/christian holidays like Christmas.
They will also invite you into there home even if your not their ethnic group, unlike some arab and somali muslims.
Some arabs in canada are not even alowed to listen to Canadian radio stations and western music.

I am not an adherent to any religion and don't believe that the earth and man were created 5000 years ago. I think the fossils, archeological findings and now genetics tell the story much better. Our ancestors evolved and some of them started to migrate out of Africa about 60.000 years ago and the Americas were the last place settled when people crossed the bering land bridge maybe 20,000 years ago. All of the religious bickering is ill-placed.

Regarding Muslims, they all can't be painted with the same brush. Ismailis are the adherents of the Agha Khan and they are mostly peaceful and entrepreneurial but of course there are always exceptions. You can visit the Agha Khan Museum in North York.

Ex  pat Iranians are mostly very anti ayatollahs, anti-religious and pro Shah Some of you may have found this out yourself if you have engaged with any. On the other side, the pious Iranian people are not necessarily the fanatics they have been made out to be. Iran along with Iraq are majority Shia muslim countries and shias are also found in parts of  Afghanistan, Pakistan and India and for the most part I don't believe they are extremists like the Taliban. Though some may dress traditionally. 

The Taliban in Afghanistan and their like minded ilk in other muslim countries are the main muslim problem. A very backward virulent form of the religion which also has it's adherents in other parts of the Islamic world as well unfortunately.

Last edited by Fitz (January 23, 2025 3:37 pm)

Fitz wrote:

Scarboroughbluffsradiof99 wrote:

Chrisphen wrote:

The purges are already in full swing in the government apparatus and academia. Some in the media are starting to feel it - a weather reporter in winconsin was allegedly fired after objecting to Elon Musk's nazi salutes.

The migrant roundups are also starting and will spread beyond 'illegal' immigrants (and eventually beyond immigrants altogether).

Expect a lot of dazed incomprehensible reactions from Americans. Few alive today have actually experienced what is currently under way.

It neads to only stop at elegals and those spreading Strickt, arab islamic values.
Those muslims are making normal muslims like bosnians, albanians and gujarati/kuchi muslims look bad.
Send those arabs back to the middle east! and keep them there.I think the propper turm I'm looking for is ishmaili muslims.
The ishmaili's are proud Canadians while keeping the good parts of Indian and some pakistani culture.
I know some.
The ishmailis that I know also love Canadian/christian holidays like Christmas.
They will also invite you into there home even if your not their ethnic group, unlike some arab and somali muslims.
Some arabs in canada are not even alowed to listen to Canadian radio stations and western music.

I am not an adherent to any religion and don't believe that the earth and man were created 5000 years ago. I think the fossils, archeological findings and now genetics tell the story much better. Our ancestors evolved and some of them started to migrate out of Africa about 60.000 years ago and the Americas were the last place settled when people crossed the bering land bridge maybe 20,000 years ago. All of the religious bickering is ill-placed.

Regarding Muslims, they all can't be painted with the same brush. Ismailis are the adherents of the Agha Khan and they are mostly peaceful and entrepreneurial but of course there are always exceptions. You can visit the Agha Khan Museum in North York.

Ex  pat Iranians are mostly very anti ayatollahs, anti-religious and pro Shah Some of you may have found this out yourself if you have engaged with any. On the other side, the pious Iranian people are not necessarily the fanatics they have been made out to be. Iran along with Iraq are majority Shia muslim countries and shias are also found in parts of  Afghanistan, Pakistan and India and for the most part I don't believe they are extremists like the Taliban. Though some may dress traditionally. 

The Taliban in Afghanistan and their like minded ilk in other muslim countries are the main muslim problem. A very backward virulent form of the religion which also has it's adherents in other parts of the Islamic world as well unfortunately.

The taliban should learn from islamic countries like Albania and Bosnia.
In Albania, they alow christians to warship along with muslims.
Women can go out and drive.
And, Albania supports Israeli's.

Last edited by Scarboroughbluffsradiof99 (January 23, 2025 3:47 pm)

Actually women can drive in most Islamic countries and could do so in the pre-Taliban Afghanistan which was a relatively progressive place. Saudi Arabia was the last major holdout and even they changed their policy  despite their  conservativism. Their brand of Islam can also be characterized as bleak. The ruling elite there I think are big hypocrites. All just for show.