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October 22, 2024 8:19 am  #1


Two Roundtable Panelists Openly Condemn CFRB - On CFRB

What a surreal morning it was on one Toronto radio station Tuesday. During the first Roundtable on NewsTalk 1010, the subject of CBC President Catherine Tate's rather bizarre appearance in Ottawa on Monday came up. (You can read about that here.) That segued into the future of the Corp.

Panelist Scott Reid argued that the CBC is necessary because it's the only one that will keep reporters in small towns like Thunder Bay. He then condemned Bell for what it did to CFRB's once legendary newsroom, telling listeners who may not have known that there no longer is one at the station. (It now comes out of CFTO and is a shadow of its former self.) 

Fellow commentator Jerry Agar seconded that emotion, turning on his own employer to say what Bell did to CFRB's newsroom was an abomination. 

Host John Moore eventually put an end to the condemnation of the station where both he and Agar work by saying, "Let's just not get into the radio ratings." 

Not sure I've ever heard so much negative talk about a radio station on that radio station before and it was hilarious. 

Later in the show, Moore was referencing the age of music video shows, and commented, "Not sure if we should mention a competitor, but Stu Jefferies used to do one." Jefferies currently does mornings on Boom 97.3.

Not what you'd expect to hear on a radio station but their honesty was certainly refreshing!

 

October 22, 2024 8:48 am  #2


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I heard it and I agreed with both Scott and Jerry. Both had good points.
What always gets me about CBC bashing is TV is always referenced but not their main playing card - radio.
I, like many hardly watch CBC TV [heck I hardly watch any regular channels] but radio is their strength in my opinion. It could be better but as Scott Reid said, they are the only ones doing it on a national basis.

 

October 22, 2024 8:53 am  #3


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The deterioration of radio in general and CFRB is particular is a sad commentary and the result of the usurpation of broadcasting by large corporations, mark that, Bell.  As a senior growing up with the original CFRB from the 50’s and 60’s, much of today’s AM programming is routine, repetitive and in many cases lacking in professional broadcasters.  An opiniated voice deficient in radio experience is not a recipe for success. As a retired former Toronto ND during BC radio (before computers), it’s difficult to hear what is purported to be acceptable broadcasting today.  

 

October 22, 2024 9:43 am  #4


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andysradio wrote:

I heard it and I agreed with both Scott and Jerry. Both had good points.
What always gets me about CBC bashing is TV is always referenced but not their main playing card - radio.
I, like many hardly watch CBC TV [heck I hardly watch any regular channels] but radio is their strength in my opinion. It could be better but as Scott Reid said, they are the only ones doing it on a national basis.

 
CBC Radio One in Toronto is a gem. Sure, they have some programming that I’m not too interested in, but they are world class, up there with BBC radio. In fact, I’ve noticed that on the weekends CBC radio is my best option, as well as some AM740 shows. Most local broadcasters now fill their weekends up with re-rolls, especially CFRB,

CBC television could go, I barely watch them anymore, the Olympics was the last time I tuned in briefly. Mind you, I did enjoy Son of a Critch, Canada’s answer to The Wonder Years…..

 

October 22, 2024 10:50 am  #5


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Well, if you thought the Roundtable was amazing, you should have tuned in later at 10:30 AM when Jerry Agar took on former Indian Affairs Minister (and ex-Toronto Mayor) David Crombie.

The subject: if we all agree that Residential Schools were a terrible thing for Canada's Indigenous population, why did he let it go on when he was in charge?

It was an absolutely astounding segment, where Crombie continually denied responsibility for what went on during those awful years. But it degraded into a long and often personal argument, as Crombie accused Agar of not listening to his justifications.

The two argued heatedly on air, pulling no punches, with Crombie at one point yelling, "You don't listen! You like to talk!"

It was the kind of radio you don't get to hear often, and neither man was especially nice to the other. You may hate Agar, but he certainly tried to nail Crombie. In the end, neither combatant won. But in an era where politeness tends to rule on talk radio, it was certainly a War of Words.

You may want to check it out once it goes online on Tuesday. 

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October 22, 2024 11:04 am  #6


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At one point, I thought Crombie used the F word, but they replayed that part of the interview after the commercial break so that probably wasn't the case.

 

October 22, 2024 11:12 am  #7


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If only some broadcast veterans could find financial backing to wrest control of the once-venerable CFRB from Bell's death-watch-grip.

I know, I know. Not going to happen.

 

October 22, 2024 11:15 am  #8


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It's been quite a day for insider radio on NT1010. On his "Party For Two" segment at 11AM, Agar welcomed in Assistant Program Director and SOWNY board favourite Robert Turner as his guest. 
 
At one point, a listener emailed a question. "If he's the Assistant PD., who is the actual P.D.?"

Agar's answer was perfect. "We don't have one. That way we get to pay him less money." 

Given Bell's notoriously penurious purse strings, I actually believe it!
 

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October 22, 2024 11:19 am  #9


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RadioActive wrote:

It's been quite a day for insider radio on NT1010. On his "Party For Two" segment at 11AM, Agar welcomed in Assistant Program Director and SOWNY board favourite Robert Turner as his guest. 
 
At one point, a listener emailed a question. "If he's the Assistant PD., who is the actual P.D.?"

Agar's answer was perfect. "We don't have one. That way we get to pay him less money." 

Given Bell's notoriously penurious purse strings, I actually believe it!
 

His name escapes me, but didn't they have a brand manager brought over from TSN 1050, when Bendixen got tossed?  Is he gone too?
 


Cheers,
Jody Thornton
 
 

October 22, 2024 11:29 am  #10


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"His name escapes me, but didn't they have a brand manager brought over from TSN 1050, when Bendixen got tossed?  Is he gone too?"

- Jeff MacDonald

Last edited by Jay Baxter (October 22, 2024 11:30 am)

 

October 22, 2024 12:47 pm  #11


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RadioActive wrote:

What a surreal morning it was on one Toronto radio station Tuesday. During the first Roundtable on NewsTalk 1010, the subject of CBC President Catherine Tate's rather bizarre appearance in Ottawa on Monday came up. (You can read about that here.) That segued into the future of the Corp.

Panelist Scott Reid argued that the CBC is necessary because it's the only one that will keep reporters in small towns like Thunder Bay. He then condemned Bell for what it did to CFRB's once legendary newsroom, telling listeners who may not have known that there no longer is one at the station. (It now comes out of CFTO and is a shadow of its former self.) 

Fellow commentator Jerry Agar seconded that emotion, turning on his own employer to say what Bell did to CFRB's newsroom was an abomination. 

Host John Moore eventually put an end to the condemnation of the station where both he and Agar work by saying, "Let's just not get into the radio ratings." 

Not sure I've ever heard so much negative talk about a radio station on that radio station before and it was hilarious. 

Later in the show, Moore was referencing the age of music video shows, and commented, "Not sure if we should mention a competitor, but Stu Jefferies used to do one." Jefferies currently does mornings on Boom 97.3.

Not what you'd expect to hear on a radio station but their honesty was certainly refreshing!

The segment about the CFRB newsroom (or lack of one) starts around the 33 minute mark in the podcast. One small correction - Agar did not call the lack of a 1010 newsroom an abomination. He called it a travesty. Just for the record. 

You can find the aircheck here.

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October 22, 2024 12:52 pm  #12


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RadioActive wrote:

Well, if you thought the Roundtable was amazing, you should have tuned in later at 10:30 AM when Jerry Agar took on former Indian Affairs Minister (and ex-Toronto Mayor) David Crombie.

The subject: if we all agree that Residential Schools were a terrible thing for Canada's Indigenous population, why did he let it go on when he was in charge?

It was an absolutely astounding segment, where Crombie continually denied responsibility for what went on during those awful years. But it degraded into a long and often personal argument, as Crombie accused Agar of not listening to his justifications.

The two argued heatedly on air, pulling no punches, with Crombie at one point yelling, "You don't listen! You like to talk!"

It was the kind of radio you don't get to hear often, and neither man was especially nice to the other. You may hate Agar, but he certainly tried to nail Crombie. In the end, neither combatant won. But in an era where politeness tends to rule on talk radio, it was certainly a War of Words.

You may want to check it out once it goes online on Tuesday. 

You can hear this testy segment at the 19:50 mark on the podcast. It's uncomfortable to listen to, filled with obvious tension and anger on both sides, but it's remarkable radio. 

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October 22, 2024 3:22 pm  #13


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I laughed when Crombie told Agar to "bug off."
And I think Crombie won the show.
He's right Agar would not listen.
Crombie kept making the point he as Indian Affairs Minister worked long and hard to end the residential school system, with Agar suggesting it could have happened overnight.
Agar proved once again that he is a talk show host, who knows nothing about being an elected political leader, or a doctor, or a lawyer etc.  Crombie beat him over the head with that.
I don't listen to Agar's show much but I was glad I caught that drubbing he took.


 

 

October 22, 2024 6:38 pm  #14


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Proof that Jerry doesn't listen was with the caller Ron from Guelph near the end.  Ron told Jerry that many of the kids were flown in from small reserves.  They were in many cases hours away from family.  The kids did not go home at the end of the day.  Even children that lived close to the school did not go home when class was done.  All were separated from parents and family.

So to say that the schools were there anyway and new teachers could be brought in doesn't solve the problem. The children would still be away from home.  Caller Ron was correct, many if not most of the children came from reserves that did not have schools, so yes they weren't built.  And many of the residential schools were not even located on reserves.   As usual Jerry didn't give the caller any time and just yelled at him that the schools were already there.

Crombie absolutely won the debate.  Was it good radio?  Not really, and especially when you have an uninformed host that doesn't listen.  

 

October 22, 2024 7:13 pm  #15


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Bell's finest young MBA-addled middle management consider Agar a significant commodity. A punctuation mark on the corporate statement about their inability to do broadcasting good.

 

October 23, 2024 6:50 pm  #16


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October 23, 2024 7:23 pm  #17


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Chrisphen wrote:

Bell's finest young MBA-addled middle management consider Agar a significant commodity. A punctuation mark on the corporate statement about their inability to do broadcasting good.

They don't think about him at all. They're counting the days until they don't have to deal with him or the station itself.

 

October 23, 2024 7:25 pm  #18


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67GreenRambler wrote:

Agar began his show today regarding the racist Crombie Liberals.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/962-the-jerry-agar-show-sound-73953296/episode/open-commentary-on-david-crombie-230470951/

You're hilarious.

 

October 23, 2024 7:28 pm  #19


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Dial Twister wrote:

If only some broadcast veterans could find financial backing to wrest control of the once-venerable CFRB from Bell's death-watch-grip.

I know, I know. Not going to happen.

Because it's impossible. Bell's stake is only a fraction of the problem, which is way more fundamental. 

 

October 23, 2024 8:01 pm  #20


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RadioAaron wrote:

Chrisphen wrote:

Bell's finest young MBA-addled middle management consider Agar a significant commodity. A punctuation mark on the corporate statement about their inability to do broadcasting good.

They don't think about him at all. They're counting the days until they don't have to deal with him or the station itself.

Is he not rebroadcast on other Bell assets? If so they're certainly not hiding their shame.
 

 

October 24, 2024 8:12 am  #21


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Chrisphen wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

Chrisphen wrote:

Bell's finest young MBA-addled middle management consider Agar a significant commodity. A punctuation mark on the corporate statement about their inability to do broadcasting good.

They don't think about him at all. They're counting the days until they don't have to deal with him or the station itself.

Is he not rebroadcast on other Bell assets? If so they're certainly not hiding their shame.
 

Just CKTB.

 

October 24, 2024 8:39 am  #22


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RadioAaron wrote:

Just CKTB.

And that should change soon, no?

 

October 24, 2024 11:46 am  #23


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Saul wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

Just CKTB.

And that should change soon, no?

Seems like a pretty safe bet.