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The abusive husband was convicted in 2005. No one reported it even though it was widely known??
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Sexual abuse within a family is not news.
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2 basic reasons
1. money, too many people had too much invested in keeping her family secret
2. the conviction occurred before the public water cooler that is social media existed in its current form, reducing the chance of the public spreading the sad news because Andrea's story was all over social media last Sunday and well into the rest of the week.
The conversation between several CBC guests linked above breaks it down thoughtfully and a heck of a lot better than one of the roundtables I heard on 1010's Monday edition of MITM where one of the pundits actually said "alleged abuse." His words were a disappointing example of how Ms. Munro's reputation remained unblemished for so long.
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betaylored wrote:
2 basic reasons
1. money, too many people had too much invested in keeping her family secret
2. the conviction occurred before the public water cooler that is social media existed in its current form, reducing the chance of the public spreading the sad news because Andrea's story was all over social media last Sunday and well into the rest of the week.
The conversation between several CBC guests linked above breaks it down thoughtfully and a heck of a lot better than one of the roundtables I heard on 1010's Monday edition of MITM where one of the pundits actually said "alleged abuse." His words were a disappointing example of how Ms. Munro's reputation remained unblemished for so long.
It was a well known secret throughout the Arts community. I find it hard to believe that no one at the CBC knew. Someone should ask Peter Mansbridge.
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I'm sure Mansbridge would be happy to give that person a lesson on journalism.
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It's just the age old typical case of people with fame money and power being able to dodge domestic abuse, or other forms of sexual abuse for years if not forever.
As a reporter it was not a big secret that Magna tycoon Frank Stronach was an alleged sexual abuser, but because of his money and power nobody close to him, or even his alleged victims would come to the fore.
Likewise, in Canada nobody talked openly about the physically abusive marriage of John and Geillis Turner, or for that matter the severe mental illness and stories of callous treatment Pierre Trudeau had of Margaret.
She has since made her mental illness struggles very public, but not much has been said about how cold and unfeeling Pierre was towards her.
Do you think the Me Too movement in Hollywood is still reporting all cases of sexual abuse?
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Canada has a somewhat secretive justice system.
As an indecent assault/incest case in 2005, there likely would have been some form of publication ban in effect in court banning publication of the name of the accused because it would lead to identification of a sexual abuse victim.
There is a process where a victim (in this case the victim was abused at nine in 1976 but was an adult when the case finally went before the court) can apply to the court to waive the automatic ban if they wish to speak out publicly about the case, but that process is rarely used.
In this case she chose to go public on her own this month after her stepfather and then recently her mother had died.
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DX wrote:
Canada has a somewhat secretive justice system.
As an indecent assault/incest case in 2005, there likely would have been some form of publication ban in effect in court banning publication of the name of the accused because it would lead to identification of a sexual abuse victim.
There is a process where a victim (in this case the victim was abused at nine in 1976 but was an adult when the case finally went before the court) can apply to the court to waive the automatic ban if they wish to speak out publicly about the case, but that process is rarely used.
In this case she chose to go public on her own this month after her stepfather and then recently her mother had died.
There was no publication ban but he did get preferential treatment from the Crown. No media showed up when he pled guilty. Where were they?
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Did the media even know? Did the OPP release a statement about the arrest? One would think that in a historic local case that there might have been interest in seeing it there were other local victims?
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DX wrote:
Canada has a somewhat secretive justice system.
As an indecent assault/incest case in 2005, there likely would have been some form of publication ban in effect in court banning publication of the name of the accused because it would lead to identification of a sexual abuse victim.
There is a process where a victim (in this case the victim was abused at nine in 1976 but was an adult when the case finally went before the court) can apply to the court to waive the automatic ban if they wish to speak out publicly about the case, but that process is rarely used.
In this case she chose to go public on her own this month after her stepfather and then recently her mother had died.
To all of these points and others raised previously, I would add this - midwestern Ontario is really a media desert with only CKNX TV/radio and a few small newspapers serving a largely rural population. It's not surprising that with the lack of local media scrutiny, certain "issues" stay out of the spotlight for a considerable period of time. If this article is to be believed, locals in the areas who knew Alice Munro and her husband had no idea what was going on.
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It's also more likely the charge and trial would have been noticed had they happened in Toronto or another large city. In a small town there either wouldn't have been reporters checking arrest records and court dockets or the reporter for the Weekly Birdcage Liner or whatever either didn't recognize Fremlin's name or didn't want to embarass Munro.
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The Star is on the story - twenty years too late.
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cash wrote:
The Star is on the story - twenty years too late.
Well, note the last two paragraphs of this latest Toronto Star story: It confirms what I speculated about in this forum on July 12 -- a publication ban was in effect for Gerald Fremlin's 2005 trial to protect the identity of Andrea Skinner as a sexual assault victim.
It wasn't a case of the news media conspiring at the time to cover up his conviction, as some have speculated. (More likely, as the July 13 Hansa posting points out, Goderich is a small town with hardly any local news media to cover a trial like this, and even if there was any trial coverage at the time the publication ban would have meant no names, making the story largely irrelevant, and on top of that incestual molesting cases are somewhat common and inconsequential in any jurisdiction and usually don't get news media attention like a significant murder trial would.)
Skinner went public with her story with her essay in the Star a few weeks ago after her stepfather and then her mother Alice Munro had died.
She has since used the process I had described in the July 12 posting to request that the Superior Court finally lift the publication ban, as the new Star story notes.
A funny thing about these publication bans, at least in that era. If you were not in court at the time of the trial to hear that a publication ban was in effect, you likely would not have any other way of realizing there was a publication ban.
Nineteen years later, even The Star, as the new story notes, did not know about the publication ban when it published Skinner's essay.