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May 20, 2024 10:20 am  #1


Is This The Reason Younger Demos Avoid AM Radio?

There's a weekly columnist that writes for a series of papers in California that I like a lot, although most of his pieces understandably cover the local Los Angeles radio market. His name is Richard Wagoner and I find a lot his stuff interesting to read, even if they're not relevant to a local audience here. 

On Monday, he penned a piece that contained this surprising conclusion, when addressing a bill before the U.S. Congress about forcing automakers to keep AM in all cars:

"In my own experience, kids — including my own — have told me that it’s not AM broadcasting itself  — and its perceived lack of sound quality —  that keeps kids away locally, it’s that there is not anything they want to hear. Play what they want to hear and they will tune in.

Radio, including AM, may just be ready for a comeback. Certainly pronouncements of its demise are at least somewhat premature."

I'm curious what some here think of that statement. I'm not inclined to believe a station playing modern day [insert favourite music genre here] would get a lot of people in the demo tuning in. But on the other hand, as we learned from the movie "Field of Dreams," 'If you build it, they will come.'

I think AM's relevance to younger listeners, if they're even aware of its existence or own a radio that can tune it in, is pretty limited no matter what they play. But then again, if you were to put something so compelling on an AM signal, an argument can be made that word would spread and people would eventually find it. If you don't go broke first. 

I'd like to believe that was true, but as much as I still love the AM band, I don't think it is. 

 

May 20, 2024 10:23 am  #2


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Definitely a preposterous claim; we're talking about people who don't even OWN an AM radio. What they do have is every audio source in the world in their pockets 24/7.

 

May 20, 2024 10:33 am  #3


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Agreed. It's hard to listen to something if you don't know it exists. Although I suppose it could be argued they could stream an AM-er online in stereo and perfect quality. But that's not enough to sustain a full radio station. 

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May 20, 2024 10:36 am  #4


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RadioActive wrote:

Agreed. It's hard to listen to something if you don't know it exists. Although I suppose it could be argued they could stream an AM-er online in stereo and perfect quality. But that's not enough to sustain a full radio station. 

The AM would be redundant at that point, except to give the programmer a break on royalties.

I'm not sure there's even much demand for linear, programmed audio at all amongst Gen Z, regardless of how it's delivered.

 

May 20, 2024 11:14 am  #5


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Nothing vs. Wagoner but he seems like another boomer harkening back to the glory days of AM lore...the AM band continues its slow death and is never coming back...it's primarily the bastion of news/sports talk, right wing propaganda, MAGA and the F Trudeau crowd, conspiracy theories and religious nonsense...the band as we've known it will eventually die when the majority of the 'oldies' that still cling to it die off with any programming that remains viable to continue to migrate to the FM.

 

May 20, 2024 11:16 am  #6


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If you can find the space on an increasingly crowded FM dial. 

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May 20, 2024 12:15 pm  #7


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Binson Echorec wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

Definitely a preposterous claim; we're talking about people who don't even OWN an AM radio. What they do have is every audio source in the world in their pockets 24/7.

Is the younger generation even aware of radio itself? Declining enrolment in broadcasting programs tells me not really.

Nevermind their awareness of AM and FM bands. To your point, everything but those two bands is readily available on a smartphone.

Yeah, guess it depends on age. Both AM and FM would have a cut-off, but FM's would be a bit younger.

 

May 20, 2024 2:53 pm  #8


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I’m not sure about now, but I remember a decade ago when I was about 30, I had colleagues younger than me listening to AM radio. Why? Sports talk and the Blue Jays. I had one colleague who was maybe 25 at the time who told me that 590 was the “only” radio he listened to. I also knew a guy my age who often listened to Leafs Lunch when it was on 640.

Podcasts these days play a bigger role than they did back then, but in a time that was already heavily dominated by FM and some level of streaming, sports talk got young people interested in AM radio.

 

May 20, 2024 4:01 pm  #9


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MJ Vancouver wrote:

Podcasts these days play a bigger role than they did back then, but in a time that was already heavily dominated by FM and some level of streaming, sports talk got young people interested in AM radio.

To quote Howard Stern: "Podcasting is NOT radio..." 


 


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May 20, 2024 5:00 pm  #10


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Indeed, podcasting is not radio.
If young people are to be attracted to AM radio it is if there can be a way to create an AM radio station that has an overall culture or theme to it.
It's the characters on the station, or the style of music mixed with the presenters.
Growing up in Vancouver CKLG AM and CFUN (the CHUM station) had their own separate vibes.
even though they were playing the same top 40 music, the personalities were unique.
CFUN had true stars like Fred Latremouille or Red Robinson.
LG had "the boss jocks" like Michael W Morgan and Little Stevie Wonder, a lineup of clever smooth and appealing anchors who enhanced the music, not appeared as secondary.
As far as talk AM radio went, there was a lineup of hosts, all with compelling viewpoints and real credibility, like Jack Webster, Pat Burns, John McComb, etc
To appeal to young people AM radio has to find their generation's version of all that.
In other words the AM station overall has to be a brand, not just one segment (like a podcast).





 

 

May 20, 2024 9:09 pm  #11


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Heck many of these 'kids' would be hard pressed to read a roadmap. Can you imagine having to operate a two knob (volume and tuning) old school AM radio

 

May 20, 2024 9:25 pm  #12


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AM HD signals impress me from what I've listened to here on 530 AM and away at 1230 AM New York.

Fidelity is  close to an FM HD sub-channel. (I work on a non-hd station, sure wish we could do hybrid analog/HD like 530 Toronto/Brampton)

 

May 20, 2024 10:17 pm  #13


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newsguy1 wrote:

To appeal to young people AM radio has to find their generation's version of all that.
In other words the AM station overall has to be a brand, not just one segment

A CFNY (The Spirit, not The Edge) for kids. A certain DM wrote the book on this technique.
 

 

May 20, 2024 10:19 pm  #14


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Johnny B wrote:

it's primarily the bastion of news/sports talk, right wing propaganda, MAGA and the F Trudeau crowd, conspiracy theories and religious nonsense...the band as we've known it will eventually die when the majority of the 'oldies' that still cling to it die off with any programming that remains viable to continue to migrate to the FM.

We found our answer as to why younger people are not listening to AM. 

 

May 21, 2024 1:31 am  #15


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I have to agree with the consensus that you've already arrived at here. The real problem is the content, and not so much sound quality or interference. In many cases outside of the most electromagnetically befouled urban or indoor residential environments, AM radio stations more or less come in decently well enough to be listenable for a typical person, and the limited elimination of AM tuners in some EVs is a very minor problem, especially in comparison to the popular association with subjectively culturally unpalatable and overall "boring" content. What we really need is more outlets the likes of Zoomer Radio 740, Classic 1220 in Niagara, as well as stuff that we really haven't seen before, at least in the contemporary post-deregulation age perhaps along the lines of a '70s and '80s era CFNY, geared for a Gen X to Gen Z audience. Done right, an AM station running such a format might be quite successful as a terrestrial outlet accompanied by a live web stream and maybe an HD FM simulcast.

 

May 21, 2024 7:06 am  #16


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Here's an old example of an AM station that tried something different. I'm not entirely sure when this was, but I think it was sometime in the 1980s. WKWF in Key West, Florida tried to do an album rock format at 1600 on the dial. Needless to say, it did not last long. For one thing, it was only 500 watts. For another, the sound quality wasn't the best for a one lung radio station at the very bottom of the dial. And there was a lot of choice on the FM dial, playing the same thing. 

But at least someone tried it. I can't find much about them online (they're apparently a classic jazz station now) but the T-shirt below that I got somewhere I've long forgotten shows they did exist at one point. 

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May 21, 2024 8:59 am  #17


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Speaking of FM-type rock on AM, does anybody remember this? How long did it last? I suspect it was quick, because they went to a music-talk hybrid soon after and I have no memory of this happening at all.

This is dated June 1981.




Here's what the logo referred to in the article looked like:

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May 21, 2024 9:20 am  #18


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Didn't CKFH experiment with an AOR format on the Open Lid from 10pm-1am back in 1967/68? I think Terry David Mulligan was one of the hosts. There may or may not be some truth to this. FH was starting to get noticed with this programming and this was the reason CHUM FM dumped their Classical format in favour of Progressive Rock.

 

May 21, 2024 9:59 am  #19


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With respect to content there is a station programmed from Port Huron Michigan that mixes older rock, country and folk music. It calls itself "The Hill" and broadcasts at 1590 AM (WHLX) with a power of 1 kilowatt from Marine City and a 50 watt FM translator at 92.7 in mono from Port Huron. The 92.7 signal does not get very far east of Sarnia before it collides with CJBX from London. However, the 1590 daytime signal propagates well into Southwestern Ontario. If you are within range give it a try.

The music mix is compelling with a wide play list. They seem to be holding their own.

 

May 21, 2024 10:25 am  #20


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RadioActive wrote:

Speaking of FM-type rock on AM, does anybody remember this? How long did it last? I suspect it was quick, because they went to a music-talk hybrid soon after and I have no memory of this happening at all.

I was listening to them at the time, and I think that what you're recalling is actually what they were doing right from the start when they became Metro 1430 -- and that the problem is that the article doesn't do a great job of describing it. And although I've never worked in radio, I developed an interest in how stations were formatted starting in the early 1970s, and I remember thinking at the time of their change that what they were doing was different from anything that I'd ever heard before. And this makes me think that part of the problem is that the format they adopted wasn't that easy to describe. I did a search and found the advertising brochure that they put out at the time of their format change, which might help clarify things.
https://www.worldradiohistory.com/CANADA/Canada-Miscellaneous/CJCL%20Toronto%20-%20Metro%201430%20Brochure.pdf
 

 

May 21, 2024 10:32 am  #21


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tdotwriter wrote:

Done right, an AM station running such a format might be quite successful as a terrestrial outlet accompanied by a live web stream and maybe an HD FM simulcast.

Virtually nobody would be listening to the AM or the HD. Young people aren't going to buy a separate device just to listen to a single station. 
 

 

May 22, 2024 3:34 am  #22


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RadioAaron wrote:

tdotwriter wrote:

Done right, an AM station running such a format might be quite successful as a terrestrial outlet accompanied by a live web stream and maybe an HD FM simulcast.

Virtually nobody would be listening to the AM or the HD. Young people aren't going to buy a separate device just to listen to a single station. 
 

That's very true. That's what makes streaming apps so important, but HD Radio is very common and in fact a standard feature in many if not most new vehicles. Therefore, a simulcast on an HD subchannel is a very convenient way for people in vehicles to get a high-quality simulcast of an AM radio station, if it's provided by a broadcaster.

 

May 22, 2024 10:08 am  #23


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Nobody listens to HD side-channels either.