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June 16, 2023 1:37 pm  #121


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

RadioActive wrote:

Radiowiz wrote:

RadioActive wrote:

Radio World on Steeles Ave. West, a few blocks west of Dufferin, has home HD radios for sale. There's not a lot of them, and some aren't exactly cheap or portable (one is a table top model) but this one seems to be the cheapest, made by Sangean, a manufacturer I've always had good luck with.

Sangean HDR-14 

Too far. Not worth the bother.
Make it available at Walmart stores. Problem solved.

You can also order online through their site, so distance shouldn't be an issue. (Or you can try Amazon.ca.) I'm fortunately located not too far from them and have been in there and purchased a few radios from the place. In a world where it's now almost impossible to find a decent receiver - or in fact, almost any receiver - they have some pretty good stuff. 

Until I see HD radios in Walmart or Best buy, they may as well not exist. 
Average Jill and Joe are not going to go out of their way to obtain one. 
Neither am I. I'd LOVE to have one though. 


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June 16, 2023 4:10 pm  #122


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Radiowiz wrote:

RadioActive wrote:

Radiowiz wrote:


Too far. Not worth the bother.
Make it available at Walmart stores. Problem solved.

You can also order online through their site, so distance shouldn't be an issue. (Or you can try Amazon.ca.) I'm fortunately located not too far from them and have been in there and purchased a few radios from the place. In a world where it's now almost impossible to find a decent receiver - or in fact, almost any receiver - they have some pretty good stuff. 

Until I see HD radios in Walmart or Best buy, they may as well not exist. 
Average Jill and Joe are not going to go out of their way to obtain one. 
Neither am I. I'd LOVE to have one though. 

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Absolutely! This was one of the problems with the DAB experiment in the 90's. Radios were difficult to find, and when you did find them, they were expensive.
 

 

June 16, 2023 10:20 pm  #123


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

RadioActive wrote:

Radio World on Steeles Ave. West, a few blocks west of Dufferin, has home HD radios for sale. There's not a lot of them, and some aren't exactly cheap or portable (one is a table top model) but this one seems to be the cheapest, made by Sangean, a manufacturer I've always had good luck with.

Sangean HDR-14 

Thanks for posting the link to Radio World. I never knew about that.

Might be worthwhile taking a drive into the city.
 


After all is said and done, more is usually said than done.
 

June 17, 2023 12:43 pm  #124


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Interesting if true, someone getting laid off by Bell that no one will particularly miss:

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https://twitter.com/politicsfisher/status/1670058647970275328

Robert Fisher            @politicsfisher

Hearing that among the 1300 cuts @BellMedia this wk was Michael Melling who was behind the @LisaLaFlamme_ removal. The cuts also reportedly affected those CTV news pple involved in the discredited @patrickbrownont story.
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June 17, 2023 10:10 pm  #125


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Maybe it was because of the cuts or maybe they've always been doing it and I just never noticed before. But on Saturday morning, I was up early and turned on CFRB, which was doing its usual simulcast of CP24's audio.

I was curious about what 610 was doing, so I switched to CKTB. They had CP24 on as well, which I'm sure the people of St. Catharines, if any were actually listening, didn't appreciate much. (There's nothing like hearing about a problem on the DVP in a traffic report when you're a hundred kilometres away from it and it will never affect you.)

I thought that was it, until they went to a commercial break. And that's when I discovered that it wasn't a simulcast of CP24. It was a direct simulcast of 1010, complete with traffic reports, commercials for Toronto businesses and even a CFRB ID at the bottom of the hour. They're not even substituting their own ID anymore! 

After 8 AM, CKTB went back to regular and separate programming, with a local newscast. But you'd think they'd at least arrange to identify the station properly. 

 

June 17, 2023 10:49 pm  #126


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Another casualty is CFVP, the 100 W short wave from Calgary.


After all is said and done, more is usually said than done.
 

June 18, 2023 1:58 am  #127


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

RadioActive wrote:

Maybe it was because of the cuts or maybe they've always been doing it and I just never noticed before. But on Saturday morning, I was up early and turned on CFRB, which was doing its usual simulcast of CP24's audio.

I was curious about what 610 was doing, so I switched to CKTB. They had CP24 on as well, which I'm sure the people of St. Catharines, if any were actually listening, didn't appreciate much. (There's nothing like hearing about a problem on the DVP in a traffic report when you're a hundred kilometres away from it and it will never affect you.)

I thought that was it, until they went to a commercial break. And that's when I discovered that it wasn't a simulcast of CP24. It was a direct simulcast of 1010, complete with traffic reports, commercials for Toronto businesses and even a CFRB ID at the bottom of the hour. They're not even substituting their own ID anymore! 

After 8 AM, CKTB went back to regular and separate programming, with a local newscast. But you'd think they'd at least arrange to identify the station properly. 

If CP24 is going to be on both 610 and 1010 AM then this is where "Tide gets your clothes clean" & other national ads fit in well.
No need to try and tell people in Niagara area to go to Al's Pizza shop in Toronto.
They'll never travel all the way out to Toronto.
However, an ad for Pizza Pizza works well. They're everywhere in Toronto and Niagara.
No need for local ads when National ads apply the best logic, given the situation. 

 


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June 18, 2023 7:09 am  #128


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

I tuned CKTB in on Sunday morning and this time, they not only had local news but even an honest-to-goodness live hosted local talk show on at 7 AM. So whatever happened the day before was not repeated 24 hours later. 

 

June 18, 2023 7:13 am  #129


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

eladb wrote:

What a brutal day for radio!

BTW, I understand that Leafs Lunch on TSN 1050 has been cancelled as part of these Bell cuts.

Leafs Lunch co-host Mike DiStefano thanks fans after show cancelled

 

June 18, 2023 1:30 pm  #130


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Meanwhile I noticed that CTV Windsor's Friday's 11PM news was done out of CTV London with Carlyle Fieset and yesterday's 6PM regional webcast news done out of London too.

 

July 8, 2023 10:28 pm  #131


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

I don't know if she was part of this layoff, but Brianne Foley started tonight as the weekend sports anchor for CHCH News. A quick google search shows a bio from CTV Regina, saying as of June 2023, she no longer works for Bell Media.

 

July 8, 2023 10:41 pm  #132


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

This has nothing to do with the Bell layoffs, but I noticed former Global National Weekend anchor Robin Gill turned up last week subbing for Vassy Kapelos from Monday-Thursday on iHeart Radio (aka CFRB), then did fill-in duty Friday night for Jim Richards.

A Global article from 2021 says she was leaving journalism for other pursuits. Perhaps they didn't work out or maybe this was just temporary. But she did a pretty good job, either way.

Still, I wonder if her departure from Global was entirely her idea. A caller to one of the shows asked her point blank, "Are you the Robin Gill from Global?"

To which she snapped back, a bit too quickly for comfort, "Not anymore!"

 

July 8, 2023 10:57 pm  #133


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

RadioActive wrote:

This has nothing to do with the Bell layoffs, but I noticed former Global National Weekend anchor Robin Gill turned up last week subbing for Vassy Kapelos from Monday-Thursday on iHeart Radio (aka CFRB), then did fill-in duty Friday night for Jim Richards.

A Global article from 2021 says she was leaving journalism for other pursuits. Perhaps they didn't work out or maybe this was just temporary. But she did a pretty good job, either way.

Still, I wonder if her departure from Global was entirely her idea. A caller to one of the shows asked her point blank, "Are you the Robin Gill from Global?"

To which she snapped back, a bit too quickly for comfort, "Not anymore!"

I don't think she wanted to work weekends anymore, at a company struggling for revenue, in a dying industry. 

Her blog post from 2022 at the PR firm where she was the VP is still up, and pretty much explains why she left.
https://www.talkshopmedia.com/blog/talk-shop-news/change-is-good-robin-gill-on-taking-chances-to-evolve-your-career/

Her LinkedIn also shows she is now a "freelance talk show host" for Bell Media out of Vancouver (and previously CKNW in Vancouver).
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robingill/?originalSubdomain=ca
 

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July 9, 2023 6:49 am  #134


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Is Ashley Kapelos Vassy's relative?

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July 9, 2023 7:04 am  #135


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Well, there's my lesson. Never post when you're half asleep! Saturday was a rough day. Thanks for the notice. I've made the correction.

 

July 9, 2023 1:16 pm  #136


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Another possible buyer is Evanov Communications.

 

July 9, 2023 2:01 pm  #137


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Marc1178 wrote:

Another possible buyer is Evanov Communications.

Good speculation!
That might be a good guess...Arise Christian radio Hamilton is doable, but what about the other AM station? 
(& would they leave Windsor's AM 580 alone? Or make that Arise Christian radio also??)

 


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July 12, 2023 4:59 pm  #138


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Radiowiz wrote:

Marc1178 wrote:

Another possible buyer is Evanov Communications.

Good speculation!
That might be a good guess...Arise Christian radio Hamilton is doable, but what about the other AM station? 
(& would they leave Windsor's AM 580 alone? Or make that Arise Christian radio also??)

 

I bet you multi-cultural will be on 820 or 1150.   I also can see this done in Windsor as a stand alone.    Multicultural or Religion are two formats that could work on AM and make money as stand alone operations or AM only.    Oakville is a great example of this. 

 

July 12, 2023 9:03 pm  #139


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

radiokid wrote:

Radiowiz wrote:

Marc1178 wrote:

Another possible buyer is Evanov Communications.

Good speculation!
That might be a good guess...Arise Christian radio Hamilton is doable, but what about the other AM station? 
(& would they leave Windsor's AM 580 alone? Or make that Arise Christian radio also??)

 

I bet you multi-cultural will be on 820 or 1150.   I also can see this done in Windsor as a stand alone.    Multicultural or Religion are two formats that could work on AM and make money as stand alone operations or AM only.    Oakville is a great example of this. 

...and there we have it!
A company that already has a good handle on how to manage both religious programming and multicultural.
Any other AM stations for sale? Why stop there...assuming that it is the Evanov group in the first place. 

It would be nice to just leave Windsor's AM 580 alone, but radio is a business, so who knows? 


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July 12, 2023 9:38 pm  #140


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Is Windsor and area not already well served by the religious radio format, what with the recent sale of WDRQ FM and the already existing full power stations also with a religious format?  Same for Hamilton.  Evanov already have 1380 am in nearby Brantford with a christian radio format which reaches into Hamilton. WTSS in Buffalo has also recently been acquired by a new owner who has changed format to christian programming.  Trafalgar Broadcasting also operates CJYE JOY 1250 am out of Oakville, again with christian talk and music.

The majority of theses stations either carry a network feed (US) or are operated as brokered time in Canada.  Just my opinion but, is the Hamilton market not already served by this format? What would Evanov gain by running another AM from Hamilton with the same format?
 

 

July 12, 2023 10:06 pm  #141


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

CHCH should have bought CKOC. Great for cross promotion possibilities between TV and radio.  CKOC covers a large area with 50,000 watts.  Move 1150 to the new CHCH building and utilize the television news department and on air personalities.

Make the radio very Hamilton/Niagara with a few talk shows, some brokered weekend programming.  Any music could be a mix, run Roger Ashby's oldies show.  Bring back well known Hamilton sports guy Ken Welch for a sports talk show.

Keep the station very Hamilton/Niagara with lots of personality and offer some ad packages with CHCH.  Would be interesting and a win win win for Hamilton/CHCH/and CKOC.

 

July 12, 2023 10:27 pm  #142


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Glen Warren wrote:

What would Evanov gain by running another AM from Hamilton with the same format?
 

Mostly a repeater of AM 530, I'm guessing, but (if the market permits) pick a language, any language outside of English and ta da, you've got Hamilton Ti Cat coverage...but I say this without actually studying the market to see if a specific language (ie Punjabi) would actually be doable, or if there is any such demand. Nice thought though...


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July 13, 2023 5:29 pm  #143


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

If Evanov buys it.. doubtful they will just re-broadcast 530.    Both Hamilton frequencies are 50,000 and blast into Toronto, so there is opportunity if a religious or brokered multi-cultural wanted to air their shows that target the whole area.  CHCH I can't see buying either for the simple fact CHML exists.   1150 or 820 trying to offer a news talk format just doesn't make sense for the Hamilton market. 

I also can't see them keeping Windsor as a music format.  You are up against Detroit radio there... and as a stand alone AM, you are not going to make it work in 2023.   Multi-cultural could work very well if you target Windsor and Detroit.    And before anyone says it.. 1220 St Catharines isn't showing any profit yet... and I think they have a huge battle ahead of them as a music station on it's own. Not sure any one buying Windsor or Hamilton would take that risk. 

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July 13, 2023 5:59 pm  #144


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

Anyone buying the Hamilton station(s) will have a difficult battle to filip to ethnic.  Not saying it cannot be done, but the CRTC will not allow a buyer to target Toronto/Mississauga - the incumbent licensees will argue against it.  I suspect that an applicant proposing S. Asian languages will be well opposed by incumbents including Oakville, Brampton, and Toronto licensees. Its going to be an argument of demographics.  What's the population in Hamilton-Burlington in that demo?  Probably too small, and the Hamilton A.M. signals boom into Oakville where the Caine family owns 1320.  

 

July 13, 2023 5:59 pm  #145


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paterson1 wrote:

CHCH should have bought CKOC. Great for cross promotion possibilities between TV and radio.  CKOC covers a large area with 50,000 watts.  Move 1150 to the new CHCH building and utilize the television news department and on air personalities.

Make the radio very Hamilton/Niagara with a few talk shows, some brokered weekend programming.  Any music could be a mix, run Roger Ashby's oldies show.  Bring back well known Hamilton sports guy Ken Welch for a sports talk show.

Keep the station very Hamilton/Niagara with lots of personality and offer some ad packages with CHCH.  Would be interesting and a win win win for Hamilton/CHCH/and CKOC.

You know it’s 2023, right?

 

July 13, 2023 7:05 pm  #146


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RadioAaron wrote:

paterson1 wrote:

CHCH should have bought CKOC. Great for cross promotion possibilities between TV and radio.  CKOC covers a large area with 50,000 watts.  Move 1150 to the new CHCH building and utilize the television news department and on air personalities.

Make the radio very Hamilton/Niagara with a few talk shows, some brokered weekend programming.  Any music could be a mix, run Roger Ashby's oldies show.  Bring back well known Hamilton sports guy Ken Welch for a sports talk show.

Keep the station very Hamilton/Niagara with lots of personality and offer some ad packages with CHCH.  Would be interesting and a win win win for Hamilton/CHCH/and CKOC.

You know it’s 2023, right?

Hamilton/Niagara for the size of market is underserved with local radio. A marriage between CHCH and CKOC could work well.  Make the station similar to community/regional radio but on AM.  Laugh all you want, nobody else is doing this. The local cross promotion between TV and radio is something that other Hamilton stations don't have. 

Because it is 2023 is the exact reason why new ideas should happen.  The current model doesn't work and companies like Bell have been shown not to be the best at running radio stations.  And please, spare us the stock answer of "if it were feasible, it would have been done.."  If Bell knew what was feasible I doubt they would have bought CTV for $2.3 billion in 2003, sell most of it a few years later, and then turn around and buy the network back again.  Nothing like paying for something twice. 

 

July 14, 2023 1:39 am  #147


Re: Bell Cuts 1,300, Closes 6 Stns., Including CJBK, Selling CKOC & CHAM

They should leave CKWW 580 the way it is.

It can't cost too much to run this fully automated oldies format and with 500 watts the electric bill is probably very reasonable. The station gets a decent signal into Southern Ontario and parts of Michigan. Several people I know that live in Michigan listen to 580.

I don't believe anyone is doing an oldies (50, 60, 70's) format in Detroit any longer and CKWW has carved a little niche for itself. They should solicit and target ads for Americans at appropriate rates. It worked for CKLW.
 

 

July 14, 2023 8:36 am  #148


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darcyh wrote:

They should leave CKWW 580 the way it is.

It can't cost too much to run this fully automated oldies format and with 500 watts the electric bill is probably very reasonable. The station gets a decent signal into Southern Ontario and parts of Michigan. Several people I know that live in Michigan listen to 580.

I don't believe anyone is doing an oldies (50, 60, 70's) format in Detroit any longer and CKWW has carved a little niche for itself. They should solicit and target ads for Americans at appropriate rates. It worked for CKLW.
 

CKWW does come up a fair bit on both Detroit radio sites I look at.  Some think they have more listeners in Michigan than in the Windsor area which is possible.  I think darcyh is right that there doesn't appear to be another station in Detroit playing oldies (50's-70's).  So whatever audience there is for that format likely listens to AM 580 at least once in a while.
 
Twenty years ago when they had an adult standards format, CKWW apparently had a 1.5 to 2% share in Detroit, this according to a poster on Radio Discussions. Canadian stations haven't been included or part of the Nielsen ratings for years in Detroit. However the US audience for CKWW doesn't really matter if the station isn't going to solicit advertising from Michigan.  It nice to have, but doesn't mean much if you are not making any money from the audience.    

On the Detroit Radio Discussions or Michigan Buzzboard, almost everyone that comments on CKWW likes the station and the variety of music played.  Other than Roger Ashby's show the station plays 20% cancon. 

Haven't been listening to Ashby much lately but I do recall even a year ago almost every show he would have one or two requests from Michigan or Windsor, so these listeners would be tuning in CKWW. 

Bell put no effort into the station, so even if the new owner invests in a live morning show and little else would be a 100% improvement.   A station like this needs some personality, and for too long CKWW has had none. 

I think we may see someone eventually apply to assume a couple or possibly five of the six AM frequencies that Bell closed in Western Canada.  Those are all big markets with not a lot of AM competition.  And Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Vancouver are all affluent and vibrant radio markets, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone is kicking the tires and planning something different for these available frequencies.     

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July 14, 2023 9:32 am  #149


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paterson1 wrote:

A marriage between CHCH and CKOC could work well.

No it wouldn't. Too costly for too little return. High risk, low reward. Hard to sell a standalone radio station to advertisers, much less a new AM station in a diary market that has no audience as it stands now. 

paterson1 wrote:

Make the station similar to community/regional radio but on AM. 

So you're saying they should operate a for-profit station like a not-for-profit station? And not only that, but do it on a worse band? Sounds like a recipe for failure. 

paterson1 wrote:

Laugh all you want, nobody else is doing this.

Gee.... I wonder why. 

paterson1 wrote:

The local cross promotion between TV and radio is something that other Hamilton stations don't have. 

Not sure what benefit you think this has? CHCH has given up on primetime, what exactly are they to promote? They're the only news option in town, they don't need to promote on radio, and if they wanted to they could buy radio spots for far less than the cost of acquiring and running an AM station that nobody listens to. 

paterson1 wrote:

Because it is 2023 is the exact reason why new ideas should happen.  The current model doesn't work and companies like Bell have been shown not to be the best at running radio stations.  And please, spare us the stock answer of "if it were feasible, it would have been done.."  If Bell knew what was feasible I doubt they would have bought CTV for $2.3 billion in 2003, sell most of it a few years later, and then turn around and buy the network back again.  Nothing like paying for something twice. 

-Says it's 2023 and new ideas are needed
-Brings up an idea straight from the 1950s
-Thinks the same company that dances with bankruptcy every few years should invest in a band that is declining rapidly
-Lambasts a decision made 20 years ago 


I hate to break it to you, but it would be the same people in charge of radio even if these large radio groups weren't owned by big telecoms. Decisions are made based on the bottom line no matter who owns the place, and as long as they own radio stations, they'll have radio industry veterans in charge of running them. 
 

 

July 14, 2023 11:15 am  #150


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torontostan wrote:

paterson1 wrote:

A marriage between CHCH and CKOC could work well.

No it wouldn't. Too costly for too little return. High risk, low reward. Hard to sell a standalone radio station to advertisers, much less a new AM station in a diary market that has no audience as it stands now.

You're saying there IS return? But "too little".  What is "too little"?  Are you saying there's greater benefit in just going to the welfare office and living off of that instead? What is your point??? 

I see good money in a classic country format. People who say it is too hard to sell a stand alone station to advertisers have no idea what they are talking about, at least not without being more clear on what "too little" is.

I hope what you mean is, the return on the investment will work out to less than minimum wage once the input of hours of effort are reviewed.


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