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June 29, 2023 3:04 pm  #1


Google Confirms It Will Remove Links To Cdn. News Here Due To C-18

First it was Facebook that insisted it would no longer show Canadian news in its feeds. But now Google seems ready to make good on its threats to follow suit and that could be substantially more troublesome to people looking for news about and in the Great White North. 

It comes after the passage of Bill C-18, which would force providers like Meta and Google to pay for articles and links in their pages, something neither company is willing to do. Instead, they will cut off Canadians altogether, potentially hurting the smaller web presences even more. 

"We're disappointed it has come to this. We don't take this decision or its impacts lightly and believe it's important to be transparent with Canadian publishers and our users as early as possible," said Kent Walker, the president of global affairs at Google and Alphabet.

"The unprecedented decision to put a price on links (a so-called 'link tax') creates uncertainty for our products and exposes us to uncapped financial liability simply for facilitating Canadians' access to news from Canadian publishers."

But the feds believe Google and the others will eventually come around or make agreements with the bigger outlets as they did in Australia, which passed similar laws, and that this will all blow over. 

Google Confirms It Will Remove Links To Cdn. News Here Due To C-18 

 

June 29, 2023 3:46 pm  #2


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Worth noting that this apparently won't go into effect until the law is fully implemented. That could still be months away. But unless it's resolved before then, both news and search would be removed for Canadian users without a VPN.

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June 29, 2023 4:05 pm  #3


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RadioActive wrote:

Worth noting that this apparently won't go into effect until the law is fully implemented. That could still be months away. But unless it's resolved before then, both news and search would be removed for Canadian users without a VPN.

Maybe Canadians coming up for air will be a good thing. Believe it or not, there is life outside of Facebook and Google.

By the way, if you aren't using https://duckduckgo.com/ for your online searches, you must like sharing your interests with Google, etc.
 

 

June 29, 2023 4:26 pm  #4


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I've been a duckduckgo user for years, although I sometimes prefer Google's interface for finding news as opposed to a general search. 

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June 29, 2023 5:02 pm  #5


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Dial Twister wrote:

By the way, if you aren't using https://duckduckgo.com/ for your online searches, you must like sharing your interests with Google, etc.
 

I've been using DuckDuckGo for quite while.

It's good, but search results seem to be more US centric than Google so sometimes will revert back to Google (just to let them know I'm still here... ).
 

 

June 29, 2023 5:10 pm  #6


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RadioActive wrote:

Worth noting that this apparently won't go into effect until the law is fully implemented. That could still be months away. But unless it's resolved before then, both news and search would be removed for Canadian users without a VPN.

I think Globe & Mail.com, The Toronto Star.com, CNN.com, CP24.com, CBC.com, National Post.com, Fox News.com, North Shore News.com, Saltwire.com, and the like, will all still work.

You don't need Google or Facebook to discover "the news"
 

 

June 29, 2023 5:12 pm  #7


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Correct. But if you're looking for something specific and you don't know which - if any - of the papers has it, you may not be able to find it as easily.

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June 30, 2023 9:12 am  #8


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Now here's something you don't see every day - a newspaper columnist essentially arguing against the future of newspapers. It's all in relation to Bill C-18, which most publications are in favour of because they need the revenue it will bring in, but some argue is badly written and will actually wind up hurting the very papers it's supposedly trying to save. Certainly an unusual column for a guy who works for the Globe & Mail. 

"Such boycotts could harm the news operations the legislation was intended to help. And this purported help has probably come to an industry that, in its current form, cannot be rescued."

What Bill C-18 is trying to save might be too far gone  

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June 30, 2023 6:20 pm  #9


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Steve Faguy, media blogger and editor at the Montreal Gazette has a good summary:

https://blog.fagstein.com/2023/06/30/online-news-act-fallout/

This was all very predictable, and the usefulness of the internet in the future depends on not setting a precedence for a link tax.
 

 

July 5, 2023 7:22 am  #10


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There have been a lot of warnings about Canadian news disappearing from Facebook, Instagram and Google thanks to the contentious Bill C-18. Ever wonder what that will look like if it happens? It did to an editor at the CBC, resulting in the first time I've ever seen an article like this:

Canadian news is starting to vanish from Instagram and Google. Here's how to find CBC as that happens

"As I opened the Instagram app, I caught a momentary glimpse of recent stories we had published to the social media platform, which is owned by Meta, the company also behind Facebook. The top posts included a video documenting how a group of high school students had built a wheelchair-friendly lawn mower and donated it to a man in Windsor, Ont., and a story post on the largest-ever high school graduating class at the only school in Pikangikum First Nation. Each had thousands of likes. 

And then it all disappeared.

The screen flashed white."


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July 5, 2023 7:59 am  #11


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RadioActive wrote:

Worth noting that this apparently won't go into effect until the law is fully implemented. That could still be months away. But unless it's resolved before then, both news and search would be removed for Canadian users without a VPN.

Or just use another search engine. Hopefully bullying tactics like this will result in people looking to alternatives to Google's monopoly.

 

July 5, 2023 8:08 am  #12


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July 5, 2023 8:12 am  #13


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Twitter is a mess right now anyway.  

 

July 5, 2023 9:30 am  #14


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July 5, 2023 12:36 pm  #15


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The Canadian government has now joined those who are pulling all their ads from Meta's Facebook and Instagram.

Canadian government suspends advertising on Meta-owned platforms Facebook and Instagram

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July 5, 2023 9:05 pm  #16


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Hansa wrote:

RadioActive wrote:

Worth noting that this apparently won't go into effect until the law is fully implemented. That could still be months away. But unless it's resolved before then, both news and search would be removed for Canadian users without a VPN.

Or just use another search engine. Hopefully bullying tactics like this will result in people looking to alternatives to Google's monopoly.

lol @ bullying.

"If you do A you have to pay B"

"It not longer makes financial sense for us to do A"

Bullying, sure.

 

July 5, 2023 9:23 pm  #17


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Maybe for his next trick, the Minister can shake down Spotify so radio can get in on this sweet action.

 

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July 5, 2023 10:35 pm  #18


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RadioAaron wrote:

Maybe for his next trick, the Minister can shake down Spotify so radio can get in on this sweet action.

 

I don't get it.  Spotify doesn't sell ads on Frequency podcasts, Rogers does, so if that's the point you're trying to make, you failed.
Also, cheering for tech companies to be unaccountable to any rules of any country probably isn't what we should be doing.  Lack of oversight is the reason Google search sucks now.  They want to keep you on Google's pages and websites that pay the most money to Google, which should be a violation of anti-trust laws.  It used to be that the fastest most relevant result was at the top.  Not anymore.

 

July 5, 2023 10:40 pm  #19


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Tomas Barlow wrote:

I don't get it.  Spotify doesn't sell ads on Frequency podcasts, Rogers does, so if that's the point you're trying to make, you failed.
Also, cheering for tech companies to be unaccountable to any rules of any country probably isn't what we should be doing

And Facebook doesn't sell ads on news content. They link to it, just like Spotify does with Podcasts. People who click on news links on Facebook see the news orgs' ads, just like Spotify listeners hear Rogers' ads.

Also, the tech companies *are* complying with the new rules.

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July 6, 2023 7:01 am  #20


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This shouldn't surprise anyone - CBC/Radio Canada has become the latest to "pause" advertising with Meta over Bill C-18. (Frankly, I wasn't even aware CBC did any ad placements on the platforms, but for what it's worth, here's their official Press Release.)

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July 7, 2023 12:47 pm  #21


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July 7, 2023 1:17 pm  #22


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Disruptors decided that municipal taxi licences were "Oh so yesterday". Uber (and others) simply said, "F*** you" to laws, bylaws and regulations. In many areas, the taxi companies are bankrupt or heading that way.

Social media disruptors decided that copyright laws and norms were "Oh so yesterday", but they did like what legitimate news gathering organizations were doing. When they were called out on it, they did what bullies do. They blame others, pout and distribute their billions to shareholders. Of course the owners of disruptor pirates are BY FAR the largest shareholders.

The lesson? To hell with laws?

Any questions?

 

July 7, 2023 1:59 pm  #23


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I visit a Nascar news site known as Jayski.com, the twitter feed section of the website is no longer visible. Everything else is still the same. 

 

July 7, 2023 6:21 pm  #24


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Dial Twister wrote:

The lesson? To hell with laws?

Any questions?

I have one. What law was being broken?

 

July 7, 2023 7:31 pm  #25


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Sorry, I have another question. Why does virtually every news article posted on media orgs' websites have these shaing icons prominently displayed?

 

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July 7, 2023 7:42 pm  #26


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Dial Twister wrote:

Disruptors decided that municipal taxi licences were "Oh so yesterday". Uber (and others) simply said, "F*** you" to laws, bylaws and regulations. In many areas, the taxi companies are bankrupt or heading that way.

See, for the Uber analogy to work, Uber would need to be an app that taxi companies used to offer rides through a common platform. In exchange for the added visibility and ease of use, the app displayed some ads around the links to taxi rides.

 

July 21, 2023 7:22 am  #27


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July 21, 2023 1:02 pm  #28


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 =20pxFacebook is willing to spend money on all these things, but they refuse to pay their fair share and follow the law in Canada.”

I guess having their hand out prevents the G&M from calling out that blatant lie
 

 

July 25, 2023 6:39 pm  #29


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New firefighter assigned to the dumpster:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/nearly-the-entirety-of-cabinet-will-be-new-or-in-new-roles-after-wednesday-shuffle-1.6493162

 NEW: @globeandmail confirms what was first reported by CBC abt tomorrow's cab shuffle. 7 ministers out: Mendicino, Lametti, Fortier, Alghabra, Murray, Jaczek & Bennett. New roles for many incl Pablo Rodriguez (Heritage to Transport) & Pascale St-Onge (Sport to Heritage) #cdnpoli

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