Fake Noise's Lachlan Murdoch boasts that they will continue with their lying to gullible audience members.

Colour me shocked.

https://archive.ph/2023.05.09-153224/https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/05/09/lachlan-murdoch-fox-earnings-loss/

unclefester wrote:

Congratulations to CNN
I'm watching them more and more these days
I never thought they'd come around
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ah .. so you thoroughly enjoyed this afternoon's CNN coverage detailing Trump being found legally liable for Sexual Abuse & Defamation with ~$5,000,000 damages awarded to his victim .. 

The National Post indicates that a sample of the interventions to the CRTC appear to indicate those who've bothered to reply to the Fox News prohibition request seem to be in favour of banning the network. One such letter reads:

“Fox is a propaganda outlet which undermines the democratic ideals of Canada. This is not censorship, this is shielding intellectually vulnerable people from brainwashing.”

The complaint was launched by an LGBTQ2S+ rights group, alleging the network was using hate speech towards them. There's something to note here, though - the Post admits it looked at a random 100 notes to the CRTC, which isn't exactly a huge sample size. But the vociferous tone of the letters arguing for a ban on Fox News is extremely strong. 

I have absolutely no love for the network and wouldn't watch it even if I could. But I would be very disturbed if the CRTC chose to remove it from Canadian cable. Censorship is never the answer. More free speech to counter its propaganda is. And as one intervenor points out, Tucker Carlson, who was the source of the original complaint, is no longer with the network. 

I hope the Commission doesn't take this step. What happens when a new government takes over and decides it doesn't like the output of some channel you watch and agree with? As odious as Fox News can be, it's a dangerous precedent to set. And I hope they make the right decision and take this seriously. 

Ban Fox News from TV, CRTC hears as thousands of Canadians write to regulator

In a strange way, you've proven my point. I'm the de facto CRTC here. As the moderator of the forum, I have the power to ban or banish any member. Despite criticism and sometimes abuse from a few users, they're still here. I believe you and them have the right to express your opinion. I mostly choose not to respond to them, but at least they get their thoughts out.

The only ones who have ever been banned during my tenure here have been those who broke the rules about abusing others. (Hello Ziggy!) My philosophy has always been "It's OK to disagree, it's not OK to be deliberately disagreeable." 

I would agree with you that Fox is no longer really news. It's mostly become endless (mostly uninformed) opinion. But banning it isn't the answer. Like on SOWNY, you should be able to refute what they say. I think they've severely destroyed their own reputation through their actions and that's done more damage than silencing them would do.

Besides, I want to know what the enemy is saying. I like knowing what the liars and hatemongers are up to.  Banning them won't stop them from doing damage. Countering them and continually pointing out where they're wrong just might.

I don't think I have proven your point at all.  In fact you haven't even proved your point.

Hasn't FOX News Network broken the rules?  I am not really in favour of banning them either, BUT, if it happens I don't care.  They brought it on themselves and have nobody to blame but themselves. Even though they have been proven to be liars and hack broadcasters, there have been no acknowledgements or apologies from the network.  

FOX will change when Rupert hangs it up.  Just as important if they continue to lose money more layoffs and change will be inevitable.  FOX has more lawsuits ahead in their future along with shareholders planning to take them to court.

Cable in Canada not carrying FNN doesn't matter to the network since they don't make much or any money here.  If Canadians feel strongly about keeping FOX on cable,  give your thoughts to the CRTC.  If this doesn't happen, apparently most Canadians don't care.  If you don't vote, don't complain about the outcome.

Yes RA, you do put up with criticism but this is part of being a moderator and being opinionated.  Anyone on SOWNY with an opinion is open for criticism.  But if you stick with the facts, tell the truth, try not to exaggerate, and attempt to present a balanced and fair assessment, people will respect your opinions. They may not agree with you, but at least they know you are fair.  

The other side rarely is always 100% wrong. 

I can appreciate both sides of this debate, however, if in a crowded theatre I shout "FIRE! FIRE!" when there's no fire, I can be arrested and charged for my lies.

Should Fake News be able to rely on America's First Amendment to protect it when it knowingly publishes lies that endanger the very democracy that enriches its owners?

How far should Fake News be permitted to go in its lust for power and money? Is almost toppling the American government far enough? If not, then someone please tell us where the red line is?

Once the legitimate government is overturned, it's too late to decide that maybe the lying pretend-news channel should have been called to task a very long time ago.

And, from an obviously self-centred point of view, once American democracy is gone, I don't like Canada's chances against Russia and/or China.

For years, I've wondered how J.D. could work at Fake News.

Then I remind myself of some of those who became young adults in the late '60s. They thought they'd remain progressive and communal all their lives; now they watch Fake News and they're angry at just about everyone.

Cue the (not-so-slender) lady.