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June 18, 2022 9:45 pm  #1


Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/rogers-set-to-sell-freedom-mobile-to-quebecor-for-2-85b-1.1780569

Haven't the foggiest as to how this changes the landscape, or if it does, but one of these days, someone like Ryan Reynolds with his Mint Mobile could come along and shake things up for the better.

We're okay with Bell or Rogers until then, right?

Last edited by betaylored (June 18, 2022 10:12 pm)

 

June 19, 2022 7:05 am  #2


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

The only Canadians that will benefit from this deal are the Shaw and Rogers families. We need more competition in telecoms, not just the 3 big boys cartel/monopoly we have had to put up with.

 

June 19, 2022 9:01 am  #3


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

100% agree. Quebecor is just another large cable/telecommunications company that's simply not that well known in the rest of Canada. But if you think they'll be adding any meaningful competition or try to bring down prices, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

 

June 19, 2022 2:42 pm  #4


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

Shorty Wave wrote:

The only Canadians that will benefit from this deal are the Shaw and Rogers families. We need more competition in telecoms, not just the 3 big boys cartel/monopoly we have had to put up with.

The shareholders will benefit too.  Having three or four main players for telecommunications isn't that rare.  Look at the US. AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile control the market. Sprint was gobbled up by T-Mobile two years ago. These three companies have 98% market share.   Americans enjoy lower prices simply because the market is so much larger and it is easier to make a decent profit.  Also having a better climate, and more even population distribution helps.   Here is the market share for the big three US telecoms courtesy of LightReading...https://www.lightreading.com/4g3gwifi/us-wireless-snapshot-subscribers-market-share-and-q3-estimates/d/d-id/764688

Last edited by paterson1 (June 19, 2022 2:47 pm)

 

June 19, 2022 4:15 pm  #5


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

https://twitter.com/AnthonyLacavera/status/1538186012869988353?t=VmLbjjzXnSxKgb3LsfqlZQ&s=19

according to this information, Rogers took a major haircut to sell Freedom Mobile... the Succession tv show vibes continue

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June 19, 2022 6:26 pm  #6


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

betaylored wrote:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/rogers-set-to-sell-freedom-mobile-to-quebecor-for-2-85b-1.1780569

Haven't the foggiest as to how this changes the landscape, or if it does, but one of these days, someone like Ryan Reynolds with his Mint Mobile could come along and shake things up for the better.

We're okay with Bell or Rogers until then, right?

Given that Ryan is Canadian, one could be forgiven for hoping that he can transfer his American success with Mint Mobile to a Canadian start-up. Hey, I can wish can't I?
 

 

June 19, 2022 9:08 pm  #7


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

betaylored wrote:

one of these days, someone like Ryan Reynolds with his Mint Mobile could come along and shake things up for the better.

To be fair, Mint Mobile isn't really a network. It's the equivalent of Virgin Mobile, Fido, or PC Mobile here. Freedom actually has a mid-sized network of its own instead of piggybacking off a major carrier like Rogers or Telus. 

 

June 23, 2022 10:26 am  #8


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

torontostan wrote:

betaylored wrote:

one of these days, someone like Ryan Reynolds with his Mint Mobile could come along and shake things up for the better.

To be fair, Mint Mobile isn't really a network. It's the equivalent of Virgin Mobile, Fido, or PC Mobile here. Freedom actually has a mid-sized network of its own instead of piggybacking off a major carrier like Rogers or Telus. 

Freedom is also the ONLY choice one has in the Toronto subway system. 
 


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

June 23, 2022 10:50 am  #9


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

With apologies to Kris Kristofferson, with Quebecor soon to be in possession of the phone provider, Freedom's just another word for nothing left to gain. 

 

June 23, 2022 11:04 am  #10


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

If it gets approved, I'd wager on them keeping the Freedom brand. They've done quite well, especially in Toronto.


 
 

June 23, 2022 3:59 pm  #11


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

RadioActive wrote:

With apologies to Kris Kristofferson, with Quebecor soon to be in possession of the phone provider, Freedom's just another word for nothing left to gain. 

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August 5, 2022 8:22 am  #12


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

Sometimes the logic that people who run the big cable and telcos use to justify their monopolistic behaviour is simply mind numbing. Take the case of Quebecor, the Quebec-based telecommunications giant currently trying to buy Freedom Mobile as part of the pending Rogers-Shaw deal. 

The head of Quebecor, Pierre Karl Peladeau, says he's baffled why the CRTC is delaying approval for his company to acquire the cell phone entity. Why? It would be good for competition!

[rant] Get a load of this quote from a Canadian Press article:

“For us, it is incomprehensible that the Competition Bureau believes that competition will be stronger if the Shaw acquisition is rejected and Freedom Mobile operates alone. It (Freedom Mobile) will be a much weaker competitor...”

“With all due respect, we believe that the longer the Competition Bureau and the CRTC wait to act, the longer they encourage an oligopoly that limits competition outside of Quebec.”


So let me get this straight. Having another huge telco control yet another phone company will encourage competition? We truly live in Bizarro world if anyone buys this argument, especially when a private operator (Globalive) bid $900 million more for Freedom than Peladeau's people did - and Rogers turned them down!

That operator suspects the reason is obvious - Big Red didn't want someone who might offer truly lower prices in the mix, which would force their own prices down. But allowing one of their own to have it would ensure the anti-competitive system continues merrily on in Canada. 

What we need is Freedom from Rogers and its ilk. Not adding Quebecor to the mix. As comedian Yakov Smirnoff used to say, "What a country!" [/rant] 

 

August 5, 2022 9:13 am  #13


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

RadioActive wrote:

Sometimes the logic that people who run the big cable and telcos use to justify their monopolistic behaviour is simply mind numbing. Take the case of Quebecor, the Quebec-based telecommunications giant currently trying to buy Freedom Mobile as part of the pending Rogers-Shaw deal. 

The head of Quebecor, Pierre Karl Peladeau, says he's baffled why the CRTC is delaying approval for his company to acquire the cell phone entity. Why? It would be good for competition!

[rant] Get a load of this quote from a Canadian Press article:

“For us, it is incomprehensible that the Competition Bureau believes that competition will be stronger if the Shaw acquisition is rejected and Freedom Mobile operates alone. It (Freedom Mobile) will be a much weaker competitor...”

“With all due respect, we believe that the longer the Competition Bureau and the CRTC wait to act, the longer they encourage an oligopoly that limits competition outside of Quebec.”


So let me get this straight. Having another huge telco control yet another phone company will encourage competition? We truly live in Bizarro world if anyone buys this argument, especially when a private operator (Globalive) bid $900 million more for Freedom than Peladeau's people did - and Rogers turned them down!

That operator suspects the reason is obvious - Big Red didn't want someone who might offer truly lower prices in the mix, which would force their own prices down. But allowing one of their own to have it would ensure the anti-competitive system continues merrily on in Canada. 

What we need is Freedom from Rogers and its ilk. Not adding Quebecor to the mix. As comedian Yakov Smirnoff used to say, "What a country!" [/rant] 

The whole ironic thing about all of this is, this thread started BEFORE July 8th when all hell broke loose about outages. Rogers is crying poor because they suddenly have to fork out 250 million or so just to fix this mess. (plus the payout in credits to customers) 
The extra 900 million would help Rogers have extra revenue to fix their own problem.
They don't want long term "little guy" competition though...so I guess they would rather tough it out. lol
 


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

August 5, 2022 4:27 pm  #14


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

In addition to the five day credit coming on my August bill. I got a text from Rogers yesterday telling me I will get five free GB of data for each of the next six months because I have been such a loyal customer. So now I get 20GB for the price of 15. The most data I have ever used in one month is 11.5GB.

 

August 12, 2022 7:15 am  #15


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

It's official - Rogers has sold Freedom Mobile to Quebecor in a multi-million-dollar deal. It comes despite the fact a separate (and independent) company offered far more for it than the Quebec-based giant, leading to speculation that Rogers didn't want the phone service in the hands of an entity that vowed to bring lower prices to its subscribers. 

Whatever you think of the deal, it's tough to believe the spin they've put on the announcement of the sale. 

"Quebecor’s acquisition of Freedom Mobile creates a strong national wireless carrier that will offer competitive high-quality services, including 5G connectivity across Canada."

"The parties strongly believe the Freedom Transaction provides the best opportunity to create a strong fourth national wireless services provider and addresses the concerns raised by the Commissioner of Competition and the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry regarding the Rogers-Shaw Transaction."


Does anyone here buy that? Notice that "competitive" doesn't necessarily mean lower. 

Official press release

 

August 12, 2022 12:07 pm  #16


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

RadioActive wrote:

Notice that "competitive" doesn't necessarily mean lower. 

Price fixing is illegal. 


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

August 12, 2022 12:57 pm  #17


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

Let us not forget not all that long ago when it was only the big 3...  Quote: "we must increase prices to remain competitive."   Only group who think this way is the shareholders...  Not sure the customer sees paying more as "competitive".   Realistically being a little cheaper, would make you more competitive by winning over more customers from the guys who increased.    Freedom/Wind has changed the game in Canada a little...  Prices have dropped, and I doubt no overage data would exist had Freedom/Wind not came around.    Personally I would love to see a REAL 4th national player and one who is going to try to shift the market... But I'm not sure Quebecor will go as hard as past owners based on their Videotron packages.  They still have overages, are priced very close to the big guys.   Unless they keep Freedom as the budget brand or change their ways, I predict we will have the BIG 4 playing together on price.  Hope they prove me wrong.
 

Last edited by radiokid (August 12, 2022 12:58 pm)

 

August 12, 2022 1:20 pm  #18


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

radiokid wrote:

Unless they keep Freedom as the budget brand or change their ways, I predict we will have the BIG 4 playing together on price.  Hope they prove me wrong.
 

In order to be a "Budget" brand, it is smart to have a sister brand to go with it, ie Rogers owns both Fido & Chatr. 
Bell has Virgin & Lucky Mobile.
Telus has Koodo.
Quebecor only has Freedom, so it will most likely compete head on with Telus, Bell and Rogers proper, not the other ones...leaving us all in a situation where Freedom is just another price match to whatever Bell Rogers and Telus decide to do. 
So much for competition and low prices. 
Unless one would perhaps like to have a Vmedia + Freedom Mobile combo pack at some great idea of a good price...maybe? (one can hope...)


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

August 12, 2022 1:46 pm  #19


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

For reasonable prices and phone deals, see Zoomer Wireless. Part of Cityfone and using the Rogers Network.

 

August 12, 2022 4:43 pm  #20


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

If you have your own phone, Chatr is terrific and cheap. Even more so if you have access to wifi and get the basic Chatr plan. $45.00 per month and 6G of high speed data with unlimited slower data after. (that's also why you need the wifi, and make it Bell if possible to CYA in the event of another glitch.)

Chatr is part of Rogers and I never have dropped calls. Highly recommend them depending on your needs.

Last edited by betaylored (August 12, 2022 4:49 pm)

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August 12, 2022 5:34 pm  #21


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

betaylored wrote:

If you have your own phone, Chatr is terrific and cheap. Even more so if you have access to wifi and get the basic Chatr plan. $45.00 per month and 6G of high speed data with unlimited slower data after. (that's also why you need the wifi, and make it Bell if possible to CYA in the event of another glitch.)

Chatr is part of Rogers and I never have dropped calls. Highly recommend them depending on your needs.

Nice, but Freedom is the only one that works in the Toronto Transit Subway system.
I hope Quebecor keeps it running and doesn't decide to terminate the exclusive relationship Freedom maintains.
 

Last edited by Radiowiz (August 12, 2022 5:35 pm)


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

August 12, 2022 5:39 pm  #22


Re: Rogers set to sell Freedom Mobile

Radiowiz wrote:

betaylored wrote:

If you have your own phone, Chatr is terrific and cheap. Even more so if you have access to wifi and get the basic Chatr plan. $45.00 per month and 6G of high speed data with unlimited slower data after. (that's also why you need the wifi, and make it Bell if possible to CYA in the event of another glitch.)

Chatr is part of Rogers and I never have dropped calls. Highly recommend them depending on your needs.

Nice, but Freedom is the only one that works in the Toronto Transit Subway system.
I hope Quebecor keeps it running and doesn't decide to terminate the exclusive relationship Freedom maintains.
 

They won't. It's a massive competitive advantage in Canada's biggest market. If anything, Quebecor putting real money into Freedom may force B/R/T to also sign with BAI.