CBC has started to show up on some Roku apps here in the US. Mostly news items not the same as regular CBC which I can pick up here. So there is some presence outside of Canada.

I agree that RCI should return to short wave. Sadly, I don't see that proposal anywhere in the editorial. It talks about making a more robust RCI.but seems to be labouring under the misbelief that there already is an RCI

"Radio Canada International, which has operated since since 1945 is already available in seven languages."

Not on radio, it isn't

Even the once mighty BBC is now almost nonexistent on short wave anymore.

Turn on the radio any night and you hear a handful of religious stations from the US and Radio Havana

The International broadcasters of today seem to believe that streaming on the Internet is broadcasting

Online streaming is no more like radio than intravenous feeding is like fine dining.

Peter the K wrote:

Seems to me that if I can log into a stream and receive the same content as an over the air broadcast, then I'm listening to a radio broadcast.  No?


 

And I suppose that car racing arcade game  is a real car.

I'm not passing judgement on the merits of online content. I have no experience with it. I'm just saying it isn't radio. 

Radio is cheap, it's portable, it doesn't require any special skills to operate and it's free. You don't have to rely on some third party provider. 

RadioAaron wrote:

turkeytop wrote:

Radio is cheap, it's portable, it doesn't require any special skills to operate and it's free. You don't have to rely on some third party provider. 

Streaming is also cheap and portable. Virtually everyone already has the hardware on them 24/7. Yes. you have to rely on a third party provider, but not in excess of what you already are.

Streaming is broadcasting.

where does this phrase from 1964 I think  fit into this argument:

"The medium is the message" is a phrase coined by the Canadian communication theorist Marshall McLuhan and the name of the first chapter[1][/url] in his Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man, published in 1964.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message#cite_note-2][2][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message#cite_note-:0-3][3][/url] McLuhan proposes that a communication medium itself, not the messages it carries, should be the primary focus of study. He showed that artifacts as media affect any society by their characteristics, or content.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message#cite_note-4][4]
 

turkeytop wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

Streaming is also cheap and portable. Virtually everyone already has the hardware on them 24/7. Yes. you have to rely on a third party provider, but not in excess of what you already are.

Streaming is broadcasting.

Well, I guess I could tote my laptop with me everywhere I go. I suppose you could call that portable. But I'd still have to seek out WiFi hotspots.

A Smartphone is about as small as the smallest radio.
 

RadioAaron wrote:

turkeytop wrote:

Radio is cheap, it's portable, it doesn't require any special skills to operate and it's free. You don't have to rely on some third party provider. 

Streaming is also cheap and portable. Virtually everyone already has the hardware on them 24/7. Yes. you have to rely on a third party provider, but not in excess of what you already are.

Streaming is broadcasting.

The problem with streaming is it's fairly easy for an authoritarian government to block. For all we hear about jamming of shortwave signals during the Cold War, jamming was actually not very effective and also very expensive to undertake, particularly if a broadcaster used multiple frequencies simultaneously and was agile enough to switch them around. And moreover it was very difficult for an authoritarian government to detect listeners to the forbidden signal whearas it's much easier to intercept and find out which computer or phone is trying to access which forbidden stream. Moving off of shortwave is a gift to the Chinese government and other repressive regimes that don't want their citizens hearing critical broadcasts and have the technical capacity to block access. 
 

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Hansa wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

turkeytop wrote:

Radio is cheap, it's portable, it doesn't require any special skills to operate and it's free. You don't have to rely on some third party provider. 

Streaming is also cheap and portable. Virtually everyone already has the hardware on them 24/7. Yes. you have to rely on a third party provider, but not in excess of what you already are.

Streaming is broadcasting.

The problem with streaming is it's fairly easy for an authoritarian government to block. For all we hear about jamming of shortwave signals during the Cold War, jamming was actually not very effective and also very expensive to undertake, particularly if a broadcaster used multiple frequencies simultaneously and was agile enough to switch them around. And moreover it was very difficult for an authoritarian government to detect listeners to the forbidden signal whearas it's much easier to intercept and find out which computer or phone is trying to access which forbidden stream. Moving off of shortwave is a gift to the Chinese government and other repressive regimes that don't want their citizens hearing critical broadcasts and have the technical capacity to block access. 
 

Yes, I'm not arguing against short-wave, but rather the ridiculous notion that streaming audio can't be radio.

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