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March 25, 2018 11:48 am  #1


CBC Cross Country Check-Up Topic: Is Can Con Still Necessary?

Just before the Junos are handed out, CBC Radio 1's Cross Country Check-Up topic for Sunday is this one:

Do Canada's musicians and songwriters still need Canadian content rules to survive?

It hasn't aired as of this posting, but given it's the CBC, what do you suppose the answer from the majority of its listeners might be? 

Exactly. 

 

March 25, 2018 12:07 pm  #2


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Can con can go. Sim sub can go. The CBC can go or be privatized. Let the free market decide.

 

March 25, 2018 12:32 pm  #3


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cGrant wrote:

Can con can go. Sim sub can go. The CBC can go or be privatized. Let the free market decide.

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March 25, 2018 1:47 pm  #4


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No more Can Con.  If radio abuses it...bring it back at 10%.  TV?  That's another story.  Only 10-15% of it's any good to begin with no matter what its origin.  Maybe 90% Can Con would improve TV...except on CBC where it's almost all turds all the time anyway.

 

March 25, 2018 2:08 pm  #5


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Old Codger wrote:

TV?  Maybe 90% Can Con would improve TV...except on CBC where it's almost all turds all the time anyway.

So, if it's mostly turds and garbage at its current level, what EXACTLY would increasing it to 90% achieve?  What, less turds? Less garbage? I'm not following your logic. 
 

 

March 25, 2018 6:14 pm  #6


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​Well, that was predictably painful. In an hour heaped with praise for the CBC (what else is new?) they took only seven phone calls during the hour, and surprise! – not a single listener thought Canadian Content rules were in even the remotest way a bad idea.
 
Caller after caller after pretentious caller praised the rule as being absolutely vital to their very existence. They also did interviews with people who represented music labels, while others were Canadian artists. And you’ll never believe it, but they were all in favour of CanCon as well. Never once did they mention all those people have a vested interest in keeping the rules.
 
I was especially amused by one guy, who claimed to be in the Canadian film industry and runs an independent music label on the side. He welcomed the regs. and complained about seeing so many Buffalo ads on Canadian TV stations, because the rates are so cheap.
 
WHAT?
 
When was the last time anyone here has seen anything like that, beyond the very rare tourist come-on? There was a time when Canadians would advertise heavily on Buffalo channels, but that went out with SimSub and I can’t recall a single Queen City business spot airing here in the past 30 years or more. Maybe ever. Yet no one questioned it or even tried to point out how ridiculous his claims were.
 
Another caller, who said she worked for CFRC, the Queen’s University campus station, insisted it was the oldest radio outlet in Canada. Granted, they came on the air in 1922. But CFCF Montreal began in 1919. Bad as I am at math (which explains why I worked in radio) I’m pretty sure that beats CFRC by at least three years. Again, no attempt at accuracy was made.
 
They managed to take only seven calls for the entire hour and not a single person had any issue with government regulating content or worse, sticking its big nose into online music delivery. Many said they would openly welcome rules forcing CanCon on Canadian Internet listeners. Yikes! 
 
The CBC's audience members truly are a world unto themselves. Although after hearing this show, I now believe the letters "CBC"  stand for "Can’t Be Credible."

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March 25, 2018 6:41 pm  #7


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I didn't hear the show. But bad as I was at radio (which explains why my only experience in the field was with a closed-circuit high school station), my guess is that the caller was referring to radio stations that still exist ... CFCF's successor CINW having gone off the air in 2010. 

 

March 25, 2018 7:03 pm  #8


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I will always consider CFCF Canada's - if not North America's - oldest radio station. And yes, I'm aware they ceased to exist several years ago. And after the completely one-sided presentation I heard on Sunday, I sometimes wish the CBC would follow their lead. 

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March 25, 2018 7:23 pm  #9


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If she had said "first", I'd agree with you. But her usage of "oldest" is consistent with how the word is generally used to refer to things, people, etc. that are currently in existence. For instance, a news story about the oldest person in the world wouldn't need to qualify that it was referring to the oldest person who is still alive. I actually agree with most of the other things that you said about this issue, and I doubt that CFRC's venerable status has any real relevance in that regard ... but I would still describe the station in the same way that she did. 

 

March 25, 2018 7:24 pm  #10


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I've been successfully stickled!

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March 26, 2018 12:29 am  #11


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Ok, but I respect your right to post under a pseudonym ... I'd appreciate it if you could do the same for me in reverse, and not out mine.  

 

March 26, 2018 1:28 am  #12


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cGrant wrote:

Can con can go. Sim sub can go. The CBC can go or be privatized. Let the free market decide.

Yes, both Cancon and Sim Sub should just go away.
In earlier postings I defended the CBC. I'll gladly continue to do that. 
I believe in their news content being free to report news about businesses (Bell, Rogers, Shaw) that otherwise would not be reported. 

However, a friend (who does not post here) makes a very good point that the CBC might not be as free as it seems.
Can they "badmouth the government"? 
(My friend's question in her own words, not mine)

Back to the topic of Can Con,
CRTC, at the very least, should start with AM radio.
Make THAT zero can con.  
They should have done that YEARS ago, back when they were in the business of trying to protect AM radio so heavily... 


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March 27, 2018 6:49 pm  #13


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I can't speak to radio, but you'd think the TV channels would actually want to increase their spending on Canadian programming. Netflix has already sent a big blow to Bell by snatching the global rights (excluding the US) to all The CW shows. They used to use that net's programming for CTV2 and Much. Now CTV2 is entirely schedule conflicts and ancient syndicated sitcoms.

Oh well, it's their funeral.

Or maybe not. Afterall, our "broadcasters" are just vertically integrated into telecoms who'll just ramp up your internet service fees.