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October 16, 2026 9:41 am  #1


Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

An interesting article in Broadcast Dialogue cites a study that claims some radio operators are deliberately sending out an overmodulated signal to increase how loud their stations sound to listeners - but it may also be responsible for obliterating their own HD stations.

"Hired by a major market station to investigate why listeners were losing their HD Radio signal, (Paul) Kriegler uncovered a jaw-dropping culprit: the station’s program director had quietly cranked the composite output of their audio processor to 137% modulation directly from his phone.The hyper-compressed analog signal was so grossly over-modulated that its sidebands were physically blotting out the station’s own HD digital broadcast."

Radio’s volume war is driving away listeners

 

October 16, 2026 1:24 pm  #2


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

RadioActive wrote:

An interesting article in Broadcast Dialogue cites a study that claims some radio operators are deliberately sending out an overmodulated signal to increase how loud their stations sound to listeners - but it may also be responsible for obliterating their own HD stations.

"Hired by a major market station to investigate why listeners were losing their HD Radio signal, (Paul) Kriegler uncovered a jaw-dropping culprit: the station’s program director had quietly cranked the composite output of their audio processor to 137% modulation directly from his phone.The hyper-compressed analog signal was so grossly over-modulated that its sidebands were physically blotting out the station’s own HD digital broadcast."

Radio’s volume war is driving away listeners

I could be wrong here.. but are modulation levels not regulated here in Canada for Radio to avoid issues with signal?   You can process the signal to a point... but there is a line that can't be crossed.   The USA doesn't seem to pay as much attention to this stuff and most times has no engineer looking after the day to day needs. 

 

October 16, 2026 1:33 pm  #3


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

They all need to be turned down even in analog - every Toronto station for example, sounds like garbage, especially 102.1 and 107.1    Whoever is handling Boom 973's sound seems to have it set pretty decent giving you atleast some good sound quality.

The same kind of thing exists in music streaming with volume normalization as the loudness wars from mixing engineers over the past decades has created loss of dynamic range.

Did not know this could impact HD signals however..interesting. 

 

October 16, 2026 1:50 pm  #4


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

markow202 wrote:

They all need to be turned down even in analog - every Toronto station for example, sounds like garbage, especially 102.1 and 107.1    

The worst offenders by far. Exhausting to listen to. No HD to smash through, I guess.

I do like CHUM and Z -- HD with no sub-channels is excellent.

CHFI has the lightest touch processing which is ideal for female targeted stations with good TSL.

 

Yesterday 8:59 am  #5


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

RadioActive wrote:

An interesting article in Broadcast Dialogue cites a study that claims some radio operators are deliberately sending out an overmodulated signal to increase how loud their stations sound to listeners - but it may also be responsible for obliterating their own HD stations.

"Hired by a major market station to investigate why listeners were losing their HD Radio signal, (Paul) Kriegler uncovered a jaw-dropping culprit: the station’s program director had quietly cranked the composite output of their audio processor to 137% modulation directly from his phone.The hyper-compressed analog signal was so grossly over-modulated that its sidebands were physically blotting out the station’s own HD digital broadcast."

Radio’s volume war is driving away listeners

Radio veteran Alan Cross weighs in on the loudness wars and makes it clear where he stands - even if his employer didn't always agree. 

"As program director of two stations back then, this drove me nuts because I knew that overmodulation created listener fatigue. Frequencies in the mid-range became harsh and grating. I wanted to turn down the compression, but I was overruled every single time by the powers-the-be. “Louder is better for ratings,” they insisted."

There’s a volume war in the world of radio. It needs to stop. And it just might.

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Yesterday 9:43 am  #6


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

 

Yesterday 12:16 pm  #7


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

Alan Cross is absolutely right. Most station managers who call the shots on modulation (AM or FM) don't have the faintest clue about how the human brain rebels at music and voice with excessive (and therefore unnatural) reduction in dynamic range.  The should be forced to sit in a chair with headphones on for a full 8 hours, and then listen to a proper processing setup so they can experience relief. Having an in-line aggressive compressor in a mic channel cranked so that every "p" and "t" pops incessantly is painful, and the all news and all sports stations are especially bad at this.
Over-processing in FM is a throwback to the AM days where the apparent coverage range is indeed a function of peak output power.  But even with AM, there is delicate balance where punch becomes pain. The new fangled multi-band processors create intolerable intermodulation distortion when the music is complex.
If FM station management is indeed achieving its goals by getting high hours tuned, why are they worried about sounding louder than the other guy?
Check out Classic 96.3 and tell me it doesn't sound great. Loud enough, yet balanced.  If things haven't been changed, they are using an Omnia 9 set to the Classical/Jazz preset which has only three bands of processing.
The comment about aggressive processing in recorded music is also very pertinent, especially when online music is being downloaded. It gets exacerbated if whoever is doing the download doesn't make the effort to find a selection with the highest possible bitrate, preferably .wav and not .mp3
All of these artifacts get cascaded, and the result in audio garbage.

As a noted musician once said, "less is more".

 

Yesterday 3:09 pm  #8


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

Ah ... a subject near and dear to my heart.

Let me say right now that I like stations with strong audio processing, as long as it's done well. It does offer some advantages over lightly processed sound.

First, it helps when listeners are in noisy environments like in the car. When the audio is compressed you can still hear the quieter passages over the background noise. Otherwise, the listener in the car would just hear only the loudest parts of a song, and silence in between.

Second, I think it makes the station sound more exciting. When it sounds loud, I just wanna and get up and dance! And it certainly has an influence when a listener is switching between stations.

My favourite station for processing is Boom 97.3 in Toronto. It seems to sound loud, but clean, and still somehow maintains the perception of dynamic range. Would love to know what they are using. Another one I like is BBC Radio One (online).

Having said all that, a good quality "loud" sound is difficult to come by. It's so easy to get the settings wrong. I know this because I developed an MP3 player for my own personal use, that includes a multiband audio processor to make it sound like FM radio. Getting the processor settings just right has been a long and continuing journey for me.

 

Yesterday 5:14 pm  #9


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

If your station can play Dark Side of the Moon, side 1, without breathing and sounding like hell, you've done a good job with the processing .  If you can take the automation feed down long enough to play with it, throw in Donald Fagen's The Nightfly and Steely Dan's AJA.  Optimize those, and nobody can touch you!!  

Brings up an interesting question, though: what are your benchmark tracks or titles for setting up your on-air chain, or even just your regular stereo at home?  You know, your CH Precision L10 feeding the Relentless Epic 1600 into your Magico M9's.




 


Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change.
 
 

Today 6:05 am  #10


Re: Is This The Reason You Can't Get A Stable Signal On HD Radio?

All this talk about processing is a foreign language to me. I haven't got a clue as to what you are discussing. All I know is when I listen to music on line or with an actual vinyl LP, if I hear distinct separation through my speakers, I am good.