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November 27, 2017 2:25 pm  #1


Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

Among the papers to close is the Barrie Examiner, which has been in business since 1864. About 250 employees are getting severance packages.

https://www.thestar.com/business/2017/11/27/torstar-postmedia-announce-community-and-daily-paper-deal.html


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November 29, 2017 10:17 pm  #2


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

Orillia Packet & Times is one closure. Worked there for three years as a reporter. Wish the assets had been sold for chump change to an indie operator rather than closure. Hell, I would have considered it...

 

 

November 30, 2017 7:15 pm  #3


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

This won't be the end of papers going down in flames.  Personally I LIKE to hold the damn thing in my hands.  AND it's easier on the eyes.  But old FARTS don't matter.  ['til ya get olde... ... ...and by then it's too late.  I can't even read the graphics they put up for sporting events on the effin' TV set properly.  Too hard on the eyes...and every network sets 'em up differently so you don't even know where to look to find stuff.  By the time you figure it out the game is over and the next game is on a different station so you start all over again...almost as if you're friggin' Mel and Tim for goodness sake  YOUR turn'll come.  Then it'll be starting all over again like Daryl Hall and John Oats.]

Anyway...that's a LOT of folks to suddenly find themselves unemployed and out in the cold.  Puts a real dent in the economy of a smaller town...and everyone's property values drop as a glut of houses go up for sale all at once.  These horse's asses have been ripping off the local economy for years...taking all of those profits out of the marketplace and leaving behind just enough dough to pay the leanest of bills they can get away with.  Now they'll offer their former 'home' one last boot to the gonads.  Carpetbaggers!!!

Thanks a pant load.

Now...sadly...who's next?  [Cue the Beatles...It won't be long.]

 

November 30, 2017 7:21 pm  #4


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

250-300 people in a population of nearly 30 million hardly constitutes "a lot" of people out of work. While we're at it, let's get the milkman, buggy maker and all the hundreds of lost professions back to work. Forgot progress; let's bring back leeches and trial by drowning!

 

November 30, 2017 9:19 pm  #5


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

Charlie wrote:

Seems like a prime opportunity for governments and corporations to take over the news business, feeding the stupid masses whatever they want to dish out.  Not a nice scenario. 

Well, both the Flat Earth Society and the Illuminati have foretold this very thing. The consumer voted with their dollars (or lack thereof). I highly doubt the news dissemination business will ever be vital signs absent. And, in the unlikely event it will, well, the masses are stupid and won't know the difference.

 

December 1, 2017 9:04 am  #6


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

Charlie wrote:

cGrant wrote:

250-300 people in a population of nearly 30 million hardly constitutes "a lot" of people out of work. While we're at it, let's get the milkman, buggy maker and all the hundreds of lost professions back to work. Forgot progress; let's bring back leeches and trial by drowning!

That's not the point of this unfortunate demise of print media.  It's not the physical paper product that is the problem, but the model of news information going forward.  People are more hungry for news than ever, but are unwilling to pay anything for it in the internet age.  How are news outlets going to provide information without any revenue to pay for it?  Seems like a prime opportunity for governments and corporations to take over the news business, feeding the stupid masses whatever they want to dish out.  Not a nice scenario.
 

Next time you're on public transit - take a look around. Nearly everyone's on a cell phone - texting, playing games or reading whatever news they can get for free. Anyone you see reading a dead tree newspaper is probably reading a free publication, like Metro. Occasionally you see people reading - gasp! - a book. It's a digital age now and newspapers are going to have to fully embrace digital or die. There will always be a market for dead tree publications, but that market is shrinking drastically. Hey, anybody wanna buy a book?

https://www.reddeerpress.com/Detail/088995481X
 

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December 1, 2017 9:36 am  #7


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

Actually, I might just prefer this tome, instead!

https://www.amazon.ca/What-Time-Day-Was-That/dp/1550411233

 

December 1, 2017 12:03 pm  #8


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

I read the free newspaper(s) and I shop at the places advertised in them.
I'm not much of a fan of that Tech source store, but good for them for advertising every week, week after week in the 24 newspaper on the last page.
They must have some faith in (free) newspapers or they wouldn't be doing that every Friday...

As far as I'm concerned, the free newspaper is far from dead, at least on the Toronto subway system. 
Long ride, no data connection, nice to have something to read...


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December 1, 2017 3:30 pm  #9


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

cGrant wrote:

250-300 people in a population of nearly 30 million hardly constitutes "a lot" of people out of work. While we're at it, let's get the milkman, buggy maker and all the hundreds of lost professions back to work. Forgot progress; let's bring back leeches and trial by drowning!

As is always and without fail the case YOU take the part of the cold-hearted false futurist with your basic knowledge regarding the subject matter sadly lacking either in substance or basic understanding.  250 people in a town the size of Barrie is of note.  Let's consider that these individuals will, in many cases, have family.  Not all of them...but most.  So...are we talking 750 people affected directly?  1,000?   Some own...but may have to now sell their homes.  Some rent and landlords will now have to find new renters or sit empty for awhile.  Where do they shop?  What do they buy?  How will this impact on what they do for Christmas 2017?

Will they now buy the used Focus instead of the new Fusion?  Does the local clothier lose their business to Walmart...or to the Salvation Army clothing shop?  ALL of this happening suddenly and simultaneously. Yes the newspaper business is restructuring.  Yes it is a horse and carriage kind of thing as is radio if they don't stop with the insane idea that offering a piss-poor product is the way forward.  But this laying off tons of people all in one fell swoop...and just before Xmas is SO cold...and SO typical of the lack of thinking employed by these carpetbaggers. 

Believe me...if lowly you saw this day coming...then 'they' knew about it too.  At the very least they owed their dedicated and talented employees the chance to at least slowly get away on their own terms...and they owed the town they've been plucking money out of since the dawn of the company printing press something more than..."WE're OUTTA hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  Dig ya later!"

Your time will come.  I hope it will be ultra quick, ever-so-painful, and entirely impossible for you to cope with.  You will then have some understanding for the reality people face here and now and if it's something which will cause you to crawl on your belly...face down, begging for help, it will be exactly what you deserve. I expect, given your level of ignorance, that it will happen sooner than later.
 

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December 1, 2017 4:10 pm  #10


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

Not sure about your citing the City of Barrie;  the cuts were across all of Canada.  What's YOUR alternative? Sure, it's wonderful to navel-gaze and want the world not to change, guaranteed jobs and pensions for life and flying unicorns.

Sir, change happens.  It will continue to happen. The way to survive is to anticipate and adapt.  Period.

As for whatever will or won't happen to me, your assumptions about my history is fascinating.  I've been round and round the old "hired to be fired" merry-go-round more times than I can remember.  In most cases, I and my colleagues saw it coming.  But, what I DIDN'T do is whine and moan about "the company owes me", "Woah is me", "corporations are the spawn of Lucifer" and "I'm such a victim".  With respect, your consistent insistence of the current state of radio clearly illustrates to me that you either have never been in radio or very far removed.

Now, so we don't get this thread wiped due to a "pissing contest", let's dialogue in a non-personal manner. Please and thank you.

 

December 1, 2017 7:01 pm  #11


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

The answer is building multiple platforms, cross-branding, maintaining as direct as possible a relationship with your audience / customers (readers/viewers/listeners, advertisers,etc), and investing with thought and precision.

In 1993, after I'd been laid off from a conventional newspaper. I ran into a publisher from my past and suggested that they'd better do something about this Internet thing that was  just coming into our lives - very early stages - and was basically blown off.

I didn't get a chance to offer any possible details. Over the years, I've thought about what needed to be done - and it really needed to be at least dabbled in if not full tilt boogie, early on.

1) This was the era of bulletin boards and dial-up. Conventional media needed to embrace it and become service and content providers, leveraging their existing resources, cross-branding, etc.

2) As the internet evolved, conventional media outlets (which would have been becoming less conventional) would need to evolve, largely growing web presences and mobile destinations. Along the way they might have sold their ISP assets had the competitive pressures been too high, or perhaps they'd have become major players like Bell and Rogers. But they would have been in the thick of the digital milieu that has overtaken conventional print and broadcast, and so they'd have been in-situ to take advantage of opportunities that arose.

But by and large conventional media failed. Insular? Lazy thinkers? Bean counters? Lacking creativity? Tunnel vision? attitude that their 'precious' businesses could weather whatever was thrown at them? Some combination of these, and more.

Paper, airwaves and this internet thing are packaging and delivery vehicles. Only. Content is really the product, though content does need to fit inside the vehicle, so to speak.

 

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December 2, 2017 1:33 pm  #12


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

Dale Patterson wrote:

Among the papers to close is the Barrie Examiner, which has been in business since 1864. About 250 employees are getting severance packages.

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Yo...How 'bout THIS?  That help? No cGrant this will not subside in an non personal manner because YOU choose to make it personal every g'd'd time you go after people for being so stupid that they actually showed loyalty to an employer who decided in the dark of night to screw their employees over, under, sideways, down.  THAT is the modernity YOU champion and many here have suffered at the hands of the method of business you constantly praise for being forward thinking.

As I said before.  YOUR time will come.  Oh how I hope it cuts right to the bone.

Meanwhile...if you currently work within the confines of the ever so much more confining media...print or electronic...look to finding another way of earning your pay-cheque.  Loyalty is entirely old fashioned.  You'll get none so leave these carpetbagger companies asap.  It's all about YOUR future... ... ...not their's.
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Oh...and in response to YOUR not making it personal by suggesting that I haven't worked in the biz...or that I'm at the very least far removed from it...Let me assure you that I am still collecteing a pay-cheque...that I have somewhere in the vicinity of twice as many years in the business as you will likely finally 'achieve'...AND that I have only ever been fired once...and that was decades ago as the management, now all long gone, looked to come in well under budget in order to grab some glorius bonus money.  Afterward?  The station went into a ratings free-fall and ownership ultimately had to sell the holding and move on.  If you EVER find yourself in need of a job...don't call...the imposition is filled.
 

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December 2, 2017 2:02 pm  #13


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

TL:DR

I specifically asked you a while ago what other industry/profession hasn't experienced drastic change due to moderinzation and progress? Still waiting. So, what makes THIS profession sacred?

Interesting that you choose to make this personal because, you believe, you speak on behalf of others that I write about. When was THAT election?

Given your non-stop vitriol about the profession, why do you stay in it? (if you actually are in it)

 

December 2, 2017 2:04 pm  #14


Re: Several papers to close in TorStar-Postmedia-Metroland deal

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