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Repeating message on both CJMR and CJYE saying they are leaving AM and will be providing the same programmes digitally.
Will the frequencies go dark?
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They are almost certain to go silent, unless someone else like a CHIN applies for the spot. I would be surprised if anyone tries for an AM station and assumes the liabilities. But hey, stranger things have happened.
I wonder how long their barker channels will remain on before they sign off for good, making way for two new spots on the dial for DXers to get something else. I honestly can't remember there not being a signal on 1250 in my lifetime. (CJMR used to be on 1190, but as a daytimer.)
I suspect they'll eventually be turning in their licences as well.
Can they survive as digital online only? I guess we'll see. I'm just glad both were stations I never listened to. Let's just hope Whiteoaks doesn't decide to do the same thing with CKTB.
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RadioActive wrote:
Let's just hope Whiteoaks doesn't decide to do the same thing with CKTB.
While FM might not have enough space, 610 has the beautiful advantage of declaring that it can go FM as a Niagara station, not a Hamilton station, and therefore not counting toward the number of FM's in Hamilton.
As an FM talker though, the signal might not be very strong either. It's hard to say what will actually happen.
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DOPEfm wrote:
I wonder if 'digital' means FM HD?
No mention:
Edit- This longer article says, yes - soon.
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So which signal will they piggyback an HD off of? There's the St. Catharines cluster, but they don't serve Oakville, the home market. And there's the Hamilton outlet at 102.9. The latter is my guess for the enhanced FM, since it's closest to their licenced area.
Will they also add CKTB to an HD signal off HTZ FM or CHRE? That would be great.
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It's sad to see more AM stations going away, but it is obviously the trend
1250 had a terrible signal before sunrise, even though it says on info sites that it was same power 24 hrs
Do they actually lower the power?
I never listened to 1320 but its signal was not great........
CKTB has a good signal, and enjoy their programs, especially Karl Dockstader. His Sunday morning show is a fun time, and his Saturday program deals with very serious issues...He is great
When doe s the shut down happen...I did not see any dates on their website
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If 1320 is saying good bye to AM radio, is AM 530 next? Will Evanov take note of this and follow suit...?
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RadioActive wrote:
So which signal will they piggyback an HD off of? There's the St. Catharines cluster, but they don't serve Oakville, the home market. And there's the Hamilton outlet at 102.9. The latter is my guess for the enhanced FM, since it's closest to their licenced area.
Will they also add CKTB to an HD signal off HTZ FM or CHRE? That would be great.
How’s the 102.9 signal in Niagara? Ideally you’d put all 3 on one FM to save the cost of converting more signals.
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As of now, both stations are off the air. Any contemplation of omnidirectional operation from another site will result effectively in a daytime only operation, as the nighttime protections would require reducing power to a paltry 35 or 40 watts, or good enough for about three city blocks.
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Skywave wrote:
As of now, both stations are off the air. Any contemplation of omnidirectional operation from another site will result effectively in a daytime only operation, as the nighttime protections would require reducing power to a paltry 35 or 40 watts, or good enough for about three city blocks.
Well, that was fast. How long had they been airing those warnings?
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I'm hearing an unconfirmed report that the site was sold to developers...
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The sale was overtly stated in the Whiteoaks/Golden Horseshoe application to purchase the Bell stations in St. Catharines and Hamilton. They also stated that the proceeds were more than enough to cover the 22.5 million cost of the acquisitions. My guess is that for a 30 acre site the sale price was north of $30 million. A title search would reveal that.
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Skywave wrote:
The sale was overtly stated in the Whiteoaks/Golden Horseshoe application to purchase the Bell stations in St. Catharines and Hamilton. They also stated that the proceeds were more than enough to cover the 22.5 million cost of the acquisitions. My guess is that for a 30 acre site the sale price was north of $30 million. A title search would reveal that.
Thanks. Not an unreasonable guess. The closure sure happened suddenly...or at least seemed to...
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There has been a few published stories that the Town of Oakville wants the am site gone from where it is, as do parents of a near by school who have bought into quack science on RF signals. The cost to move that site would outway the benefits and likely inability to not being able to cover the same area. Moving to HD would likely be the best case, most cost effective approach. They did mention of adding HD to their FM signals during the ownership flip, so I wouldn't rule out seeing 1029 Hamilton and one of the St Catharines FMs adding HD. CKTB I bet will be added, because technically they can run 1 analog along side 4 HD signals on a single frequency. Not sure they would be ready to pull the plug on CKTB, but speciality formats like multi cultural and religion tend to have a better acceptance. Don't forget both multicultural and religion also tend to run on brokered time... The return on investment could be there.
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I don't understand the language, but I've bean listening to CJMR to sea if now whiteoaks added programs fromCKTB.
They've bean playing mostly otimated bollywood music in the mornings and on weekends.
The had a polish morning show for years, radio 7 toronto, but I think they got rid of it last year.
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6:00 pm Tuesday Jan 13
Clear ID for WJAS 1320 Pittsburgh and into Fox News
1250 has conservative talk ?WPGP “The Answer”
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Meanwhile on the webstream, I checked cjmr's webstream around 5 pm.
I think they got rid of there afternoon drive punjabi show as they were just playing bollywood music with no hosts and ids that still say cjmr 1320.
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I wonder how the whole thing went down. Did they broker their on-air programming or were there paid on-air personnel, or both? Why did they pull the plug seemingly so suddenly and abruptly? Why did they not leave the looped message running for a longer period of time than possibly as little as a matter of hours? .....
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An article in Broadcast Dialogue seems to indicate that CKTB is a priority for Whiteoaks, and it's not going anywhere on AM, possibly being joined by an HD FM signal soon.
Whiteoaks stations in Oakville, Mississauga leave AM for digital-first listener experience
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RadioActive wrote:
An article in Broadcast Dialogue seems to indicate that CKTB is a priority for Whiteoaks, and it's not going anywhere on AM, possibly being joined by an HD FM signal soon.
Whiteoaks stations in Oakville, Mississauga leave AM for digital-first listener experience
doubt that..... one bad ice storm and that station is dead, hate to say it but it's true
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torontostan wrote:
RadioActive wrote:
An article in Broadcast Dialogue seems to indicate that CKTB is a priority for Whiteoaks, and it's not going anywhere on AM, possibly being joined by an HD FM signal soon.
Whiteoaks stations in Oakville, Mississauga leave AM for digital-first listener experiencedoubt that..... one bad ice storm and that station is dead, hate to say it but it's true
I'm presuming from this that Whiteoaks is ditching the cost of running CHWO and CJMR transmitters so it can focus money and effort on CKTB. Presumably that includes signal delivery...
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i had been hearing rumors that the brokered producers have been leaving CJMR in droves, i checked the location of their TX site, looks like in recent years development has encroached right on top of them, i think its safe to say, they would not pass safety code 6.
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Cheese2RF wrote:
i had been hearing rumors that the brokered producers have been leaving CJMR in droves, i checked the location of their TX site, looks like in recent years development has encroached right on top of them, i think its safe to say, they would not pass safety code 6.
This is only a guess.
Ithink the newer immigrants do not want talkshows as much as the previus ones did.
Look at the format of RED fm.
Its mostly music.
Big am is also entirely music with not a single talkshow.
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Scarboroughbluffsradiof99 wrote:
Cheese2RF wrote:
i had been hearing rumors that the brokered producers have been leaving CJMR in droves, i checked the location of their TX site, looks like in recent years development has encroached right on top of them, i think its safe to say, they would not pass safety code 6.
This is only a guess.
Ithink the newer immigrants do not want talkshows as much as the previus ones did.
Look at the format of RED fm.
Its mostly music.
Big am is also entirely music with not a single talkshow.
The younger ones will integrate faster. I'm anticipating somehow that ethnically diverse beats will blend with CHR more and more. Or maybe the kind of content that's on 820 will eventually get more sophisticated in presentation and wind up on FM. But, really, FM is only transitory, though it will linger well beyond AM.
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That article said that CKTB's Tx's (main/bu I presume) are between 50 and 70 years old, so no wonder reliability is suffering. They plan to repurpose the 1250/1320 Tx's for CKTB. Now, restoring that antenna array will be a few $$$.
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Anybody know if it is feasible/cost-effective to re-use some of the 1250 and 1320 towers for CKTB?
Secondly, does anyone know of a station on the air today that uses a transmitter that is 50-70 years old?
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Reusing the Mississauga towers could be expensive as they would have to be disassembled. Also, the 610 towers would be taller due to the much lower wavelength. It seems most tower site demo's involve cutting one of the 3 sets of guy wires and letting the tower get pulled over by the other two, where it then buckles and collapses, turning into a mangled mess for scrap.
As for using old transmitters, I'm not going to be surprised if there still are but that's just a guess. I would think just the savings in electricity costs, especially for a 10-50kW operation would be a very compelling reason to upgrade to a modern, solid state unit. Plus all the modern monitoring and protection features. I don't think they are that expensive anymore as they are so much smaller. Also maintenance costs should be much less as they are quite reliable.
Scott pix:
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Credit where due - although I was right there in the Jeep with him, these pictures were taken by my engineering friend Mike Fitzpatrick.
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jon wrote:
does anyone know of a station on the air today that uses a transmitter that is 50-70 years old?
i hear CBCs 40 Watt AM CBES 690 up in Ignace is running off a 60 year old AM exciter in a wooden shack on the side of the road!