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August 1, 2024 5:17 pm  #1


Online News Act Hurting More Than Helping Small Cdn. News Outlets

It's been one year since the Meta Facebook/Instagram blocking of Canadian news over federal government requirements for payments from the online giant. And a new study concludes that for a lot of smaller publications, it's done a lot more harm than good. 

‘Extremely bad news’: Canadians are encountering fewer legitimate news sources on social media, study finds

 

August 1, 2024 8:43 pm  #2


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Counterpoint: it helps keep the vulnerable-minded away from Postmedia temptations.

 

August 1, 2024 9:46 pm  #3


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If this is hurting small news outlets as much as the article says, these companies sure are doing a lousy job at telling people or making the public aware.  So far this whole Meta/Facebook blocking has been a yawnfest.  Not many people seem to care.  And if it is impacting the small news outlets so much, they better start making a lot more noise about it. 

I wonder if one issue is that they weren't getting much traffic from Meta/Instagram in the first place, and now getting even less.  I know the traffic on small weekly newspapers sites even six or seven years ago was pretty poor. 

 

August 2, 2024 3:21 pm  #4


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This follow-up to the previous story reiterates some of what you have already read. 

Ottawa says Meta may still see Online News Act regulation — but CRTC wants more proof

But there's one sentence at the end about Meta blocking Canadian news that has me, frankly, stunned. 

"A year into the ban, a new study shows local news outlets have seen a significant drop in their audience, while Meta itself has seemingly been unaffected.

The CRTC says it’s the company’s responsibility to inform the regulator if it falls under the law, and Meta hasn’t done so."

I can't be reading that right, can I? It's Facebook's parent company that has to tell Canadian regulators it falls under the law and pay up? What organization in their right mind would want to admit that and have to pay out millions of dollars? This can't be accurate, can it? Am I completely misinterpreting this about the Online News Act? Maybe it's because I haven't really slept well for the past week and my brain is a mite scrambled.

But if this is true, the whole thing is idiotic and pointless. Somebody please straighten this out for me.  

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August 4, 2024 10:54 am  #5


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Well, I will make an attempt to straighten you out RA.  God knows I have tried many times before!! 

According to the article, Canadian news is still being shared on facebook and instagram since some customers have found a work around that let's them post some articles and photos.  Also I have read that  material that actually is news still appears occasionally from Canadian news sources on facebook and instagram.

If this is the case the government expects Meta to inform the CRTC of this situation.  They supposedly are banning all of the Canadian news, to avoid any payments, not almost all.  If this news still appears on their services regardless how it got there, then they should be paying for it. Meta is responsible for what they are putting out. 

This is not really that odd a situation.  When radio stations change music format, the CRTC expects them to notify the commission when the change happened. Or if there is an unforseen change in the company structure, the CRTC expects to be told about it. 

Don't really understand why you always defend this $1.18 trillion dollar monopoly mega conglomerate that has  done much more to ruin radio and TV than Bell, Rogers, and Corus put together.  Maybe consider that next time there is a round of layoffs before railing off how terrible and greedy Bell and Rogers are?
 
Some balance or acknowledgement of other factors in the rants would be a nice change RA.  Rather than the terribly one sided and often ill informed, paranoid tirades that have been the norm.  

 

August 4, 2024 11:00 am  #6


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paterson1 wrote:

  If this news still appears on their services regardless how it got there, then they should be paying for it. Meta is responsible for what they are putting out. 

 

So Meta should have been paying publishers when they posted links to their own content?

What if I share a recipe posted by a food blogger? Should Meta pay the blogger? Why is news any different than any other content posted by the creators themselves?

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August 4, 2024 11:01 am  #7


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paterson1 wrote:

When radio stations change music format, the CRTC expects them to notify the commission when the change happened.

Nope.

 

August 4, 2024 11:04 am  #8


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RadioAaron wrote:

paterson1 wrote:

When radio stations change music format, the CRTC expects them to notify the commission when the change happened.

Nope.

Stations don't have to but the CRTC as a courtesy expects them to.

 

August 4, 2024 11:04 am  #9


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paterson1 wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

paterson1 wrote:

When radio stations change music format, the CRTC expects them to notify the commission when the change happened.

Nope.

Stations don't have to but the CRTC as a courtesy expects them to.

Nope. 

 

August 4, 2024 11:05 am  #10


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Tell me more Aaron..

 

August 4, 2024 11:12 am  #11


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I never have changed a music format, other than shifting a station from MOR to A/C.  

 

August 4, 2024 11:14 am  #12


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paterson1 wrote:

I never have changed a music format, other than shifting a station from MOR to A/C.  

There are no regulatory definitions of music formats. You cannot inform them of something that does not exist.

 

August 4, 2024 11:30 am  #13


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Going from MOR to alternative does exist, yes I know it is the same music category and you don't need to inform the CRTC.  However it is a courtesy, more professional and keeps the regulator up to date.  Your reasoning is too vague, abstract and bookish...

 

August 4, 2024 11:32 am  #14


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paterson1 wrote:

Don't really understand why you always defend this $1.18 trillion dollar monopoly mega conglomerate that has  done much more to ruin radio and TV than Bell, Rogers, and Corus put together.  Maybe consider that next time there is a round of layoffs before railing off how terrible and greedy Bell and Rogers are?

Well, I take great issue with your accusations. In no way am I defending Meta or Facebook/Instagram. They've done a lot more to impair Canadian news sources in recent years than even the CRTC! (Although to be fair, it's the government that imposed the Online News Act and not the Commission, who simply is charged with carrying it out.) 

But how a government regulator can expect a giant corporation with millions of dollars at stake to "report on itself" remains beyond me. Why would they if they knew it was going to cost them money? It's extremely stupid to believe Facebook et al. would ever act against its own interests. If the CRTC or some other federal entity doesn't catch it, they sure aren't going to tell them! 

And by the way, I have read countless articles in the last few months from critics like Prof. Michael Geist, roundly considered an expert on this stuff, and Peter Menzies, a former Vice-Chair of the CRTC itself, which have posited convincingly that this law has done nothing to help the small town newspapers or stations that try to bring residents local news. Instead, it has effectively cut many of them off and left them grasping at whatever meagre sources of revenue they can find. Some have gone out of business altogether and others are close to that edge. 

A lot of experts believe this thing was ill considered, and in too many cases, has had the exact opposite effect of what was intended. That's not support of Mr. Zuckerberg and his friends, who I actually have little but contempt for. That's more a condemnation of a very bad law rushed into being without thinking of the unintended consequences - despite repeated warnings from experts that it would have a boomerang effect. 

We're starting to see that now. So please don't put words in my mouth. Meta has long been cheating publishers of their due compensation. But this "solution" is not the answer. Especially when many will tell you it's only made things worse. 

I know you seem to take great delight in contradicting everything I say about almost any topic, but as the links below show, I'm not the only one who worries about this. As you can read in the first story published just a few days ago, many studies back up this worry about what the Act has done to the very Canadian sources it was designed to protect.

The second one is from the CBC's website, a news source I know you trust. 

And the final link is from The Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, based at Oxford University. Hardly a biased or fly-by-night organization. I would invite you to read some or all of them and then see if what I'm questioning makes more sense to you. 

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August 4, 2024 11:54 am  #15


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paterson1 wrote:

Going from MOR to alternative does exist, yes I know it is the same music category and you don't need to inform the CRTC.  However it is a courtesy, more professional and keeps the regulator up to date.  Your reasoning is too vague, abstract and bookish...

AKA: Factual

(also, even the industry hasn't used the term MOR in decades.)

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August 4, 2024 11:57 am  #16


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If content linking wasn't a net benefit, news orgs wouldn't have full-time staff whose job it is to do just that. It's the very well established foundation of the web.

The screenshotting issue is of the government's own making. Repeal the counter-productive law, and the screenshotting goes away.

 

August 4, 2024 12:09 pm  #17


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Since I don't have all day, I will read the above articles that you seemed to have at your fingertips a little later.  A couple I may have seen already.

I will say that the current government has not done the best job implimenting not only this, but many other regulations or laws for that matter.  And all of this could be for almost nothing if a change of government happens in 2025....But... we don't want to get political...

I do give them points for at least attempting to reel in Meta and the others before they totally destroy the domestic media industry.  Canada is not the only country trying to do this, and with some wins and losses.

Having worked in the newspaper business for many years, I can tell you that the traffic on small weekly newspaper sites was always not great, long before Meta's boycott.  But now it is even worse, however some of this may have happened anyway.  Small publishers or at least many of them are in big trouble and have seen their financial situation sliding for a long time.  The same as traditional TV and radio.