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July 30, 2023 12:08 pm  #1


CFTR Approved For 50,000 Watts in 1979 But Didn't Happen Until 1985

On this date in 1979 the CRTC approved CFTR to increase power to 50,000 watts.  More detail from RadioWest.ca
In 1979, the CRTC tentatively approved CFTR-AM Toronto's increase in daytime power from 25,000 to 50,000 watts, from a new transmitter site at Grimsby, 56 km South West of Toronto, using eight 410 foot towers. The existing Mississauga site would continue to be used for nights only, and remain at 25,000 watts. It took until February 1985 before it actually happened, with most of those five and a half years spent negotiating with the FCC. But a few months later, in June 1985, night power was increased to 50,000 watts, and Grimsby was used for both day and night patterns.

 

July 30, 2023 1:14 pm  #2


Re: CFTR Approved For 50,000 Watts in 1979 But Didn't Happen Until 1985

And this is what is on the former Mississauga transmitter site today (owned by Rogers Real Estate Development Limited)

[url]https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5842785,-79.6463129,3a,75y,89.95h,120.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3FnKH0P4WVABxsaJDxFnFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu[/url]


 

 

July 30, 2023 1:44 pm  #3


Re: CFTR Approved For 50,000 Watts in 1979 But Didn't Happen Until 1985

The move to 680 caused quite a few problems for what was then known as CHFI. Long forgotten by many is that the station's AM version came second to its FM, the only time in Toronto radio history that happened, and that it was originally on 1540, but moved, making way for what is still CHIN-AM on that frequency.

April 1962:



But that move caused problems for one occupant on that channel out near London. July 1963: 



It didn't end there. The next "680" issue arose not in Canada but the U.S. And it wound up involving a major concession for Canadian regulators in May 1983:


If I'm not mistaken, 990 in Rochester is now WDCX-AM, the same call letters and programming of WDCX-AM in Buffalo. Very weird that the calls are shared in two separate cities, as well as on separate FM frequencies.

 

July 30, 2023 2:56 pm  #4


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RadioActive wrote:

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If I'm not mistaken, 990 in Rochester is now WDCX-AM, the same call letters and programming of WDCX-AM in Buffalo. Very weird that the calls are shared in two separate cities, as well as on separate FM frequencies.

(In the spirit of Monty Python...)  Yes RA you are very much mistaken...   WDCX-AM is 990 Khz in Rochester, New York...  while WDCX-FM  99.5 Mhz is licenced in Buffalo, New York. The Buffalo AM sister is WDCZ-AM 970 Khz.

Now back to the live coverage of the 1972 Eclipse of the Sun..... (surely magnificent)

 

July 30, 2023 3:16 pm  #5


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And yet their websites, linked in my post, say their call signs are the same, even though the frequencies listed are different.

Rochester site:



Buffalo Site:



Both listed as WDCX, without distinguishing the difference. You'd think they might note that but since it's a virtual simulcast of the Buffalo station, I suppose it's not worth it. I wonder if they do an on-air ID properly?

 

July 30, 2023 3:47 pm  #6


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Thanks everyone, for this much appreciated radio history lesson.


After all is said and done, more is usually said than done.
 

July 30, 2023 5:49 pm  #7


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Interesting that CFTR's new Grimsby transmitter site cost about $3.5 million when completed in 1985.  CFTR was one of three Toronto AM stations to move their transmitter and towers south of Lake Ontario.  This allowed an unobstructed signal north to the city.

Sportsnet 590 and  AM 640 also have their transmitter sites in Niagara Region south of the lake. 
 
 

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July 30, 2023 10:24 pm  #8


Re: CFTR Approved For 50,000 Watts in 1979 But Didn't Happen Until 1985

In Phase wrote:

And this is what is on the former Mississauga transmitter site today (owned by Rogers Real Estate Development Limited)

[url]https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5842785,-79.6463129,3a,75y,89.95h,120.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3FnKH0P4WVABxsaJDxFnFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu[/url]


 

Those buildings look gawdawful. There's a similar one going up in downtown London. 

Must be the same architect.


After all is said and done, more is usually said than done.
 

July 30, 2023 11:10 pm  #9


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turkeytop wrote:

Those buildings look gawdawful. There's a similar one going up in downtown London. 
Must be the same architect.

It looks like real life Jenga
 


Cheers,
Jody Thornton
 
 

July 31, 2023 8:48 am  #10


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This is what the original Rogers development was to look like in Mississauga on the 106 acres that the company owned...Looks like they have added a second weird looking accordian tower to the original plan. The M City Condo development will now have 10 towers.  You can see a bit of the Toronto skyline in the background.

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August 2, 2023 11:32 am  #11


Re: CFTR Approved For 50,000 Watts in 1979 But Didn't Happen Until 1985

paterson1 wrote:

On this date in 1979 the CRTC approved CFTR to increase power to 50,000 watts.  More detail from RadioWest.ca
In 1979, the CRTC tentatively approved CFTR-AM Toronto's increase in daytime power from 25,000 to 50,000 watts, from a new transmitter site at Grimsby, 56 km South West of Toronto, using eight 410 foot towers. The existing Mississauga site would continue to be used for nights only, and remain at 25,000 watts. It took until February 1985 before it actually happened, with most of those five and a half years spent negotiating with the FCC. But a few months later, in June 1985, night power was increased to 50,000 watts, and Grimsby was used for both day and night patterns.

I won't say his name but there used to be an engineer at CFTR who would come in at 9 AM every day, stick around for 10 minutes, then tell everyone, "I'm going to the transmitter." And he'd be gone until the next day, presumably because the trip to Grimsby and back took him so long. 

But after a while, I suspected there was something else going on and that somewhere in the city, there's a secret engineers' bar called "The Transmitter." And THAT'S where he went every day. 

Whatever the real story, I've never seen anyone leave work like that so often and get away with it. 

 

August 2, 2023 1:51 pm  #12


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RadioActive wrote:

I won't say his name but there used to be an engineer at CFTR who would come in at 9 AM every day, stick around for 10 minutes, then tell everyone, "I'm going to the transmitter." And he'd be gone until the next day

hmmmm     I thought that story was attributed to a certain Chief Engineer at CHUM......

 

 

August 2, 2023 1:58 pm  #13


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Nope, I heard him say it at 'TR several times. Never did know if he really went where he said he was going.

 

August 2, 2023 2:53 pm  #14


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As part of that CFTR power increase, CKGB-AM in Timmins moved from 680 to 750.
Ted Rogers paid for that too.