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July 27, 2022 11:33 am  #1


CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

It's taken a while but the CRTC has determined what I think most of us suspected - there's no room in the (New)Market for another station. So Frank Torres' application for a new commercial radio outlet, first covered here last November, is denied. 

But there's a huge "but" in this denial and it's intriguing. Turns out while the Commission is ruling out allowing a for-profit station in the city, they're not ruling out a community outlet there. Which brings us to CHOP-FM, a low power entity that operates out of Pickering College. It made an application for a stronger signal out of the school and THAT the Commission is willing to consider. 

CHOP argues that since a campus station wouldn't solicit anything more than a tiny amount of advertising (if any at all) it wouldn't roil an already crowded GTA market. 

Needless to say, there was immediate opposition to the idea from Evanov, which operates CKDX (aka Lite 88.5), the only commercial station currently licenced to Newmarket. 

"It argued that the Toronto radio market has been experiencing a steady decline in revenues that was exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic and that there is no indication that the market will recover even once the pandemic ends.

"Evanov pointed out that its station CKDX-FM faces stiff competition from Toronto radio stations whose signal extends to Newmarket. Evanov expressed the view that even the proposed community station would compete with CKDX-FM for the dwindling share of advertising revenue in Newmarket.

"Evanov also claimed that converting Pickering College Campus Radio’s campus station into a community station would undermine the integrity of the Commission’s licensing process."


But the argument didn't wash with the CRTC and now they're going to hold a hearing into possibly boosting the power and licensing CHOP as a semi-new more powerful station in the area. 

But where are they going to put it? They currently occupy 102.7, which is also the same frequency where two other GTA-area stations currently reside - CJRK-FM, an ethnic station in Scarborough and CJFB-FM in Bolton, a 1,000-watt commercial outlet known as The Moose. 

This one will be fascinating to watch, if only because 102.7 has to be the most overcrowded frequency anywhere in Canada. Three stations within a figurative few miles of each other on the same spot on the FM dial? What could go wrong? 

The date for a possible hearing on the CHOP application will be announced in the near future. 

CRTC Newmarket Decision

You can find out more about CHOP-FM here, but its website notes it's already unique in all the country. "Pickering College is the only JK-Grade 12 school in Canada with a CRTC-licensed radio station." 

And the school itself has a remarkable radio history. The station's equipment and funding were donated by the Waters family, the former owners of the CHUM empire. And it boasts that former student Ted Rogers Sr., who started CFRB and whose son became the owner of Rogers Communications, made his first Morse Code broadcast from Pickering College back in 1921.

The video below is narrated by a voice familiar to many here - the veteran Ted Yates. 

 

December 5, 2022 12:54 pm  #2


Re: CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

This is back on the docket at the CRTC, which will hold hearings on the application for a power boost for Pickering College to turn its low power campus station into a community one. complete with a slight power boost. It wants to use 102.7 FM, where, as noted, several GTA-area stations already reside. 

Calls for comments end on Jan. 23rd, while the Commission will hold hearings into this application and other would-be newcomers outside the province on Feb. 23rd. 

How they could shoehorn another station onto 102.7 when there's already one in Scarborough is beyond me, but they're going to consider it anyway. 

CRTC Hearing Details

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December 5, 2022 3:26 pm  #3


Re: CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

They're already on 102.7 in Newmarket from the Pickering College campus. They'd just go from their present 5 watts to 33 watts if this is approved. 

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December 5, 2022 3:35 pm  #4


Re: CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

I know it would still be low power but with CHOP-FM, the Pickering station, already there, CJRK in Scarborough and CJFB in Caledon all on 102.7, how many stations can you put on the same frequency before they're just an unintelligible mess - low power, directional or not? Then there's CKMS-FM, a 250 watter in Waterloo (or should that be "Watt-erloo?") 

We know the GTA FM radio dial is already overcrowded to the extreme, but three stations in the same general vicinity on the exact same frequency, even with low power? Sounds like a recipe for interference disaster to me.

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December 5, 2022 4:48 pm  #5


Re: CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

Right now CHOP's local coverage is only 5 miles.  Even with a power increase doesn't necessarily mean they will carry much further unless they are also allowed to increase the height of their tower. Often increased power is just for a stronger signal where they already go.  This allows them to penetrate apartments and buildings better but not necessarily a larger coverage area.  

If there was a recipe for disaster, then somebody would need to be broadcasting out of their coverage area and that would be rectified. Don't really see a big issue here.


 

 

July 23, 2023 4:34 pm  #6


Re: CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

This coming week, the CRTC is scheduled to deliver its decision on whether CHOP gets a stronger signal and becomes a de facto "real" radio station covering more than just a few kilometres of its home school base in Newmarket.

Should be interesting to see what the Commission decides. 

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July 24, 2023 12:37 am  #7


Re: CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

RadioActive wrote:

This coming week, the CRTC is scheduled to deliver its decision on whether CHOP gets a stronger signal and becomes a de facto "real" radio station covering more than just a few kilometres of its home school base in Newmarket.

Should be interesting to see what the Comimssion decides. 

You ignored what Paterson said to try to make this more interesting than it is.  33 watts is not a "real" radio station.  A 28 watt increase will allow people in the very limited coverage area not to lose it when they pull into their garage, and that's about all.  It might travel an extra kilometre or two depending on the terrain but that would be it. 

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July 28, 2023 11:08 am  #8


Re: CRTC: No Room For A New Commercial Station In Newmarket, But...

RadioActive wrote:

This coming week, the CRTC is scheduled to deliver its decision on whether CHOP gets a stronger signal and becomes a de facto "real" radio station covering more than just a few kilometres of its home school base in Newmarket.

Should be interesting to see what the Commission decides. 

The CRTC announced this on their "anticipated releases" page last week. But it's Friday now and they never came out with any decision. Not sure why CHOP got the chop, but maybe next week?

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