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October 11, 2016 9:48 am  #1


What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

A columnist for the Los Angeles Daily News thinks the AM band can resurrect itself by finding the right niche formats:

http://www.dailynews.com/arts-and-entertainment/20161008/radio-what-do-am-stations-have-to-lose-but-go-back-to-music-formats

PJ

 


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October 11, 2016 5:11 pm  #2


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Paul Jeffries wrote:

A columnist for the Los Angeles Daily News thinks the AM band can resurrect itself by finding the right niche formats:
PJ

I agree 1,000%.  I think I posted months ago that the current license holders should be turning the whole thing over, to new 'holders' of the license before they are ever allowed to go black.  THEY agreed to accept the terms and conditions... ...and expenses.  If they can't adhere to their agreement...then...they'll have to suffer the costs of the turnover for the common good.

Greed comes with a price tag.  Potential listeners shouldn't have to suffer or do without.  The CRTC can't find even one, lone, tiny, insignificant testicle to share amongst their entire group of bogus 'decision makers'.

IF someone can make even 1 dollar profit a year offering a music station to those you can't get it done properly or with a passion elsewhere...then THIS is the route to take.  Have the former owners pay for the entire switch and move.  THAT'LL smarten them up.  [and in a gee-dee'ed hurry.]

There's way too much yackin' about next to nuthin' radio out there.  Dang close to enough to sink the blinkin' Titanic.  Time to stop wasting frequencies on idiots... ... ...greedy idiots who couldn't, and won't, give a rat's arse about the audience..
 

Last edited by Old Codger (October 11, 2016 5:13 pm)

 

October 11, 2016 5:34 pm  #3


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Another thing is that a lot of "oldies" music (whatever you care to call it) just sounds better on an AM radio, probably because it was produced to sound good on the common equipment of the day.  I find this with AM740.  When I'm a part of town where I can receive both the AM and FM signals clearly, I find myself flipping between them if it's an older song that benefits from the original "punch" of a compressed AM signal.

It all might be too little, too late.  How many of the youngins out there still actually listen to radio anymore?
 

 

October 11, 2016 5:47 pm  #4


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Some new tech devices carrying radio do not have an AM option. That does not help any AM frequency one bit.

 

October 11, 2016 6:28 pm  #5


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Peter the K wrote:

 How many young'uns out there still actually listen to radio anymore? 

Answer:   Nobody.      

However we pensioners enjoy 560 CFOS (Owen Sound), AM 800 (Belleville), 1300 WXRL (Buffalo), 1580 CKDO (Oshawa) and of course your fave AM 740 during daytime.  The AM signal being so much more accessible than FM.  

We continue to support AM radio by regularly replacing our windows with Magic windows and buying crap we really don't need on Dial-A-Deal and buying cars from Bernard's in Flesherton  

g.
 

 

October 11, 2016 9:27 pm  #6


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

It doesn't have to be just "oldies".  There are loads of options depending specifically on each unique market-place.  Younger people, by and large ain't listening to the radio.  NO  W O N D E R.

And older people, for the most part, ain't listening to sirius...or internet options.  Why pay when you can dial it in for free.  [unless you're stuck way up in Hearst]

 

October 11, 2016 11:21 pm  #7


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Here in Toronto, if anyone is going to go back to music on AM, it would have to be a station that has no sports to cover.
AM 640 comes to mind because they are also on HD radios today, but if they're happy with a 2 share doing talk radio, then I guess they won't ever go back to music of any sort.

 


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RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

October 11, 2016 11:56 pm  #8


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Go back to 2008 and compare the ratings for 1050 and 1010 and 680.  That's why news and talk are on AM and music isn't in this city.
5.4% CFTR
5.3% CFRB
1.2% CHUM AM

Last edited by Prod Guy (October 12, 2016 12:07 am)

 

October 12, 2016 12:41 am  #9


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Prod Guy wrote:

Go back to 2008 and compare the ratings for 1050 and 1010 and 680.  That's why news and talk are on AM and music isn't in this city.

1.2% CHUM AM

Look more closely @ 1050 CHUM and AM 640. Both a 1.8 (not a 1.2)
Plus also, a music format is cheaper to run! 


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

October 12, 2016 9:07 am  #10


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Like I said...it's doesn't HAVE to be oldies.  A good signal would help.  Toronto is already being talked to DEATH.  We all are.

 

October 12, 2016 9:34 am  #11


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

AM is dying.  The audience simply would not be there.  Advertising revenue on an AM music station would not cover the costs.

Last edited by Leslieville Bill (October 12, 2016 9:34 am)


- Not an industry person.  Just a guy with a love of Toronto radio. 
 

October 12, 2016 10:11 am  #12


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Leslieville Bill wrote:

Advertising revenue on an AM music station would not cover the costs

When K-W Oldies AM 1090 moved to FM 99.5 they tweaked their playlist by moving from American Graffiti to 80s & 90s tunes.  An extremely popular DJ left @ the same time and went into politics.  Is there data to show that after abandoning AM to sound like half the other FM broadcasters in the country, K-Fun 99.5 is more profitable (or less losses) than when it was Oldies 1090 with a much further geographic reach?  

Ms. C.

 

October 12, 2016 11:01 am  #13


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Leslieville Bill wrote:

AM is dying.  The audience simply would not be there.  Advertising revenue on an AM music station would not cover the costs.

The real truth is that music that was made for mono is targeting a much older crowd. If the music is more in a direction of stereo sound it should do well as an AM station with an HD tune in option.
 


RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.

 
 

October 12, 2016 11:22 am  #14


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Paul Jeffries wrote:

A columnist for the Los Angeles Daily News thinks the AM band can resurrect itself by finding the right niche formats:

What is the current state or condition of the AM facilities in the States? 

Reading a couple of comments from a US technical blog following the shutdown London's CKSL, the individuals were quite surprised at the appearance of the CKSL transmitter site. The exterior photos showed a site that was being maintained. Solid structure, mowed grass etc. It was noted that there were no interior pictures of the transmitter building, so it couldn't be truly representative of the facilities condition and level or commitment to maintenance. But, by the exterior shots, it was felt that it was being maintained, choice of format / programming aside.

But what was also mentioned was interesting. Some of the comments to the original blog, thought that the CKSL site appeared to be in way much better condition than many AM Tx sites that are currently in the US.  Maintenance and up keep cost money, and many owners are forgoing the maintenance and upkeep to save money (funny, sounds familiar....)

Some of the stories and pics that have been posted on one US blog alone seem to indicate that AM in the States is in very rough shape...  Tx buildings and ATU structures in poor states of repair (sites vandalized or just neglected), Tower bases overgrown with brush/ground cover, Theft of copper ground straps/busses from building and antennae structures (lack of regular site visits) Major impairments of 2 out of 3 towers at a 3 tower array, etc.  

If the TX site has been neglected or is in need of major work, is a change in format to find a "niche" really going to help?  If this is truly indicative of the state of some current AMs in the States, I think there are bigger issues at hand.


n.b. I'm not questioning the condition or level of maintenance at the CKSL tx site. Nor am I suggesting that it was the reason for the station to shutdown. It was well documented that it was purely a business/financial decision, and the corporate entity surrendered the licence to the CRTC.


 

 

October 12, 2016 6:22 pm  #15


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

Radiowiz wrote:

Prod Guy wrote:

Go back to 2008 and compare the ratings for 1050 and 1010 and 680.  That's why news and talk are on AM and music isn't in this city.

1.2% CHUM AM

Look more closely @ 1050 CHUM and AM 640. Both a 1.8 (not a 1.2)
Plus also, a music format is cheaper to run! 

Sorry, I was quoting the fall book.  This looks like it's the spring book.
 

 

October 12, 2016 6:58 pm  #16


Re: What do AM stations got to lose by going back to music formats?

If the 54 - 79 demo appeared, you would see that Brian Henderson & Nanci Krant dominated