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August 28, 2015 9:00 am  #1


Could This Kill The Oldies Format In The U.S.?

Unlikely, but this is the latest salvo in an ongoing legal battle about pre-1972 songs that's been brewing for a while. And they've just upped the ante.

Radio Giants Facing Bicoastal Legal Demands to Stop Playing Pre-1972 Songs

Another pre-1972 lawsuit gets filed

Last edited by RadioActive (August 28, 2015 9:04 am)

 

August 28, 2015 11:44 am  #2


Re: Could This Kill The Oldies Format In The U.S.?

Outside of some smaller station, Oldies stations are barely playing ant pre-1972 anyway.

 

August 28, 2015 3:26 pm  #3


Re: Could This Kill The Oldies Format In The U.S.?

Before they're gone forever would someone explain what the lyrics to LOUIE LOUIE and PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON are about, please

 

August 28, 2015 5:14 pm  #4


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'50s and '60s songs are pretty much gone from U.S. playlists. For example, looking at WCBS-FM's playlist from yesterday, I count exactly five (5) pre-1970 tunes, and nothing before 1968. It won't be long before the '60s are completely gone.

http://wcbsfm.cbslocal.com/playlist/2015/08/27/


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August 28, 2015 6:39 pm  #5


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Radio programmers virtually killed the oldies format at least a decade ago.  Anything now is just younger folks having a go at programming music they don't know to an audience who doesn't want to hear the same 400 songs played over and over AND over pretty much until the day they die.  It's called Hell.  And it sounds like it too.

Who cares about the pre-72 tunes?  Who's playing them anyway?  Heard a woman call John Fogerty...John Fu-GERdee the other day.  Really?  [and he's still recording new material and touring]

Recently Classic Rock Magazine has been wondering what'll become of annual Rock 'Festivals' as soon there'll be absolutely NO ONE to headline ANY of them.  As it is now there aren't enough acts to fill the rosters and some events are just plain GONE.  Not a single act in this new era of music has the jam, talent or body of work to own the planet.

Music USED to outsell all of the movies combined in terms of bucks spent.  That was then and this?  This is now.  Even if it is sounding better than it did even 5 years ago I'm afraid it's WAY too little and most decidedly WAY TOO LATE.

What they should be doing  is banning everything w/o a REAL connection to the past recorded between 1992 and 2012.  That's when music hit rock bottom and just lay there.

 

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August 28, 2015 9:35 pm  #6


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Dale Patterson wrote:

'50s and '60s songs are pretty much gone from U.S. playlists. For example, looking at WCBS-FM's playlist from yesterday, I count exactly five (5) pre-1970 tunes, and nothing before 1968. It won't be long before the '60s are completely gone.

http://wcbsfm.cbslocal.com/playlist/2015/08/27/

Guess what Dale. The updated playlist had one song from 1966. Drive My Car by The Beatles. Perhaps that does not count. I heard Hey Jude on Boom 97.3 yesterday right after they said playing the hits from the 70's,80's and 90's,
 

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August 29, 2015 7:05 am  #7


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Didn't see that one. But my point stands - the '60s are mostly gone from U.S. oldies/classic hits radio. It's a shame because that was such a great decade of music.


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August 29, 2015 12:24 pm  #8


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Locally:

  - Andy Frost, Psychedeli Sundi (Corus)
  - Robin Lane, 60s @ 6:00 (Znaimer)
  - Daryl MacLean, Sat Nite Beach Party (various & sundry)


M.

 

August 30, 2015 1:28 am  #9


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Satellite radio.  Sixties on Six.  And a special mention to Pat St. John's show from 1-5 ET.
Not for everyone, I know but perfect for me.  Great stuff, IMO.

 

August 30, 2015 11:41 am  #10


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Freddy Vette, CJBQ, 2-7 p.m. weekdays. ONLY '50s and '60s!


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August 30, 2015 2:09 pm  #11


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Don wrote:

Outside of some smaller station, Oldies stations are barely playing ant pre-1972 anyway.

True. The oldies format morphs every decade or so in about a 20-year cycle. So the 80s and 90s are now in vogue on a lot of them, with a bit of the late 70s thrown in for good measure. Which explains Boom 97.3 as an example. (Although most refuse to call it what it is, preferring euphemisms like "classic hits" or "yesterday's favourites." It's kinda like the Ontario government referring to eveything as "revenue tools," or "premiums" when what they really mean is more taxes.)

But not being able to play pre-1972 tunes precludes almost the entire Beatles catalogue (unless you count "Free As A Bird" or "Real Love.".) Hard to be a complete oldies format without the option of playing a single song by arguably the most important rock band in modern music history. 

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August 30, 2015 2:20 pm  #12


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The Beatles have been ingrained into North American  pop culture to the extent that they seem to get a by on the self imposed pre 1972 rule from classic hits and other similar formats and if you refresh that WCBS playlist that Dale linked, you will see that even some of their early to mid 60's hits and albums cuts are still featured. Same thing goes for some tracks by the Stones, Motown and a few select others.

Now as far as the legal challenge. I would think they would find a way to resolve it in favour of the Beatles.

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August 30, 2015 5:33 pm  #13


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kiddies performed "House of the Rising Son" on Hamilton's CHML this afternoon

go kids go

 

August 30, 2015 11:52 pm  #14


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Kilgore wrote:

kiddies performed "House of the Rising Son" on Hamilton's CHML this afternoon

go kids go

well the kiddies would not have to worry about copyrights as the song goes way back. Writers unknown. First recorded in the 1930's and then Bob Dylan, Dave Van Ronk, The Animals and of course Frigid Pink ( who can forget the Frgid Pink version) all did covers in the 1960's.
 


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October 21, 2015 10:18 pm  #15


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CBS has weighed in with an argument against the pre-1972 songs lawsuit that is either brilliant or completely insane. In a nutshell, it appears they're trying to claim that playing tunes off a CD or other digital media - formats that weren't around in 1972 - means the songs in question have more modern day copyrights and thus the '72 rules don't apply.

Makes my head spin, frankly, but stranger court decisions have happened. 

CBS Radio Has Novel Argument to Legal Demand to Stop Playing Pre-1972 Songs

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October 22, 2015 1:21 am  #16


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It's also getting tougher to find a 50's/60's Diner restaurant (In Toronto)...one that includes a little box on the wall at each table where you can request songs for a quarter each...(or whatever the price was the last time such a place existed...) 


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October 22, 2015 9:06 am  #17


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In (somewhat) related news, excellent WJJL Niagara reception in the GTA earlier this week (M-T-W) due perhaps to consistent overcast bouncing AM 1440 signals here.    Very good in higher elevations well north of Hwy 407.     Bill Parsons, Conway Twitty, Faron Young, Link Wray.    The 50s are not dead, you just have to be prepared to dig 'em up 

 

October 23, 2015 4:38 am  #18


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The big problem with WJJL reception is splatter from CHKT 1430. It's OK east of Toronto near the lake even though you still get a bit of CHKT bleeding into 1440. Once you get into the 416 along the 401 it's quickly overwhelmed by 1430. I've even picked it up at night through the hash even though it's only 55 watts after dark.


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October 23, 2015 8:56 am  #19


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Radiowiz wrote:

getting tougher to find a 50's/60's Diner restaurant (In Toronto)...one that includes a little box on the wall at each table where you can request songs for a quarter each

Hamburgers were a quarter, grilled.cheese 10 cents and tunes were a nickel



 

 

October 23, 2015 11:05 am  #20


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Dale Patterson wrote:

The big problem with WJJL reception is splatter from CHKT 1430

people in Kitchener, Brantford, Barrie & Peterborough tolerated poor reception to listen to 1050 CHUM in the late 50s

The similar situation from AM 1440 WJJL today is simply part of its considerable charm