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September 23, 2022 3:12 pm  #1


YouTube, TikTok & Others: Bill C-11 Will Hurt Cdn. Viewers Online

It's a controversial bill that's supposed to promote Canadian content online and bring the Internet in line with national broadcasting regulations. But increasingly, experts are warning it may have the exact opposite effect and could wind up hurting the very people it's supposed to help. 

The reason is the way the algorithms of platforms like YouTube work. It would force CanCon to the top of the list here at first, but if viewers ignore the suggestions and don't click on them or give them a thumbs down, it will rank them lower in popularity and eventually you won't see them at all worldwide. And other countries could block Canadian generated videos in retaliation for forcing their own content off the list. 

YouTube, TikTok say Liberals’ online streaming bill would harm digital creators

There are also concerns about what counts as "Canadian." Under the existing rules, there are so many exceptions to shows and videos you'd think would instantly qualify as "Canadian" that some won't make the cut. Including Justin Bieber or Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale."

"Because of the outdated rules, Bill C-11 would make it harder for viewers to watch content that should be considered Canadian but isn’t, such as the series based on Canadian author Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale. Under the same outdated rules, non-Canadian content could become easier to see. A biopic of former U.S. President Donald Trump, called “Gotta Love Trump,” is currently considered Canadian.

"Do you like to watch content streamed from other parts of the world? Bill C-11 could very well impact your ability to watch your favourite show from India or South Korea because Bill C-11 would force foreign content providers to follow all kinds of new rules and regulations in order to enter the Canadian market."

There are also concerns that the broad language in the bill would give the CRTC the power to effectively censor the Internet and user generated content, which the CRTC has insisted is a power it will never use. But as critic Jay Goldberg notes in a piece about the dangers of this legislation:

"The Trudeau government is asking us to trust that bureaucrats won’t use the full power handed to them. At least for now. That’s like asking us to trust a gambling addict at a casino."

The bill is currently working its way through the Senate, the last step before it becomes law, but it has alarmed many western countries around the world, who fear it goes way too far - noting not a single other so-called "free" nation has ever attempted anything this restrictive. And they wonder why the feds are so adamant about passing it, that they've introduced it twice in two terms and limited debate on any changes.

I try not to let politics find its way onto this board as a rule, but this law is such a game changer, is so filled with potential problems and it will affect so much of what we do online, it only seemed prudent to reiterate what so many others (including two former CRTC Commissioners, a respected law professor, and those Canadians who make a living filing content to YouTube) fear about what happens if it's passed. 

 

September 23, 2022 4:34 pm  #2


Re: YouTube, TikTok & Others: Bill C-11 Will Hurt Cdn. Viewers Online

We have enough trouble with simsub. This could be/will be a nightmare. Good thing I have a reasonably priced reliable VPN.

 

September 24, 2022 8:53 pm  #3


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For those who think only Conservatives are objecting to this Bill, no less a Liberal organ than the Toronto Star's Editorial Board has problems with it, too. In other words, it's an equal opportunity offender.

If this many people from all over the political spectrum are expressing concerns, surely there's something very wrong here. 

https://clearthis.page/?u=https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2022/09/24/senate-should-fix-flaws-in-online-streaming-bill.html

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September 24, 2022 9:00 pm  #4


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By the way, to show you just how idiotic the definition of "Canadian Content" is under this Bill, advocacy group Open Media has a 10-question quiz highlighting certain famous films and TV shows, asking you to decide which count as CanCon. Take the test and see how you do. 

I got 9 out of 10, but some of them were best guesses. 

QUIZ: CanCon or CanCan’t?

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September 26, 2022 2:43 pm  #5


Re: YouTube, TikTok & Others: Bill C-11 Will Hurt Cdn. Viewers Online

I got 7/10, mostly guessing. I had never heard of many of these productions and most would be of no interest to me.

 

September 26, 2022 4:31 pm  #6


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The quiz is just a sidebar to distract and try to confuse people.  It has nothing to do with Bill C-11.  The bill will not hurt Canadian viewers online, or deny them from viewing anything they aren't already watching.

Changes are coming to the internet to make  Youtube, TikTok, Twitter, Instagram etc more accountable and to try keep the evil and hurtful material in check. Up until now these mega corporations have been doing a very poor job at policing themselves and even now are doing little. 
 
These changes are overdue and will happen in Canada and other countries including the US. Bill C-11 has nothing to do with your freedom or what you can or can't say or look at on the internet. The whole cancon thing is a sidebar from people and groups who don't like any form of regulation. Cancon is always an easy target for some.  If you don't want to look at something... then don't, pretty simple. 

There is rarely anything that is agreed by 100% of people, groups or political parties.  The fact that some Liberals or former members of the CRTC, The Toronto Star or even CBC have problems with the bill or are questioning parts of it is also not surprising.  This is the sign of a healthy democracy.    

 

September 26, 2022 5:49 pm  #7


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It theoretically could hurt Canadian productions' audiences outside of Canada, unless the services completely separate Canadian users' input from other countries'. 

If a piece of content is forced into a playlist it wouldn't otherwise make it into, it will get skipped or downvoted, thereby pushing it from neutral to negative in playlists elsewhere.

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September 26, 2022 6:29 pm  #8


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RadioAaron wrote:

It theoretically could hurt Canadian productions' audiences outside of Canada, unless the services completely separate Canadian users' input from other countries'. 

If a piece of content is forced into a playlist it wouldn't otherwise make it into, it will get skipped or downvoted, thereby pushing it from neutral to negative in playlists elsewhere.

It will be interesting to see what does or doesn't happen.  Bill C-11 if passed may not be around very long regardless.  We could have a change of government in the next few years and the bill could be killed or altered.  Even now, nothing has been passed and C-11 could still be sent back by the senate and modified.  Again the cancon aspect is a sidebar.  What the social media giants don't really want is any regulations.  

 

September 26, 2022 6:44 pm  #9


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If it's a sidebar, then they should fix it to mitigate any potential unintended consequences so that the important parts can be passed and implemented.

 

October 5, 2022 8:55 pm  #10


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October 5, 2022 9:07 pm  #11


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It's about time.  If these mega conglomerates don't like the bill then do something. Strange that up until now virtually nothing.  Odd since they are all in the communications business.  It may be too little too late however...but let's see what happens.  Could be interesting!