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February 23, 2021 2:05 pm  #31


Re: Call Letters Question

Skywave wrote:

I neglected to mention that the FCC is very strict about proper station identification. If you're listening to an NFL game on a US radio station like WGR, there is a Westwood One sports network identification followed by a pause for the local station to identify.

Sure, but there is no regulation around clarity though.
They can talk like an auctioneer.
As long as the local station id is said, (often said quickly as station id and ownership) it's said. No law broken. 

Last edited by Radiowiz (February 23, 2021 2:06 pm)

 

February 23, 2021 5:03 pm  #32


Re: Call Letters Question

Glen Warren wrote:

Global never air call letters as part of the station ID during the regular programming day...    Never did from sign on in 1974. Just the red racing stripes that formed a G on screen, and then ran off again.

Global originally had six regional transmitters all linked across the southern portion of the province via CN Microwave (Cottam, Oil Springs, Paris, Uxbridge, Bancroft and Hull (serving Ottawa). The original call letters were CKGN, with GN referring to Global Network. The CKGN calls were originally used for a FM or TV station in Sudbury or North Bay, but had been retired for some time.

The CKGN calls were only mentioned during the sign on / sign off.

With the transmitter expansion of the mid 80s, the CKGN calls were retired, and Global started using CIII-TV to reflect the cable channel position that the majority of cable BDUs assigned Global to on their system(s).

The iconic Global "G" was replaced around 1996 or 1997 with the much loathed "toe nail". The Chevron/Delta replaced the toe nail around 2006.

Should never have replaced the original "G"...  (just my opinion)....

 




This was one example I could find; I know I've seen others.

 

February 23, 2021 10:03 pm  #33


Re: Call Letters Question

I just heard the CKTB call sign said on air

 

February 25, 2021 9:51 am  #34


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Good one, grilled cheese! 

Bell is using the CKOC calls on the air at 1150 once an hour, too, by the way - heard an ID just before 1 PM yesterday while tuning in briefly from Buffalo. 

 

February 25, 2021 4:12 pm  #35


Re: Call Letters Question

Skywave wrote:

ISED's Broadcast Procedures and Rules Part 1 states:"7.2 Identification of broadcasting undertakingsPursuant to section 18 of the Radiocommunication Regulations, a broadcasting station for which a call sign has been issued must identify itself in accordance with the provisions of BETS-11."

BETS-11 in turn states:
2. Technical Requirements 2.1 Using the call sign issued to the broadcasting station, the holder of a Broadcasting Certificate shall, during any time that the broadcasting station for which that certificate was issued transmits a radio signal, identify the broadcasting station at least once every hour on the hour or within 10 minutes thereof, or at the beginning and end of a program where the program lasts longer than one hour, by a voice announcement in English or in French that: (a) articulates each letter and states any accompanying designator of the call sign of the station; and (b) names the principal city or community that is served by the station. 2.2 In the case of a television broadcasting station, the voice announcement may be replaced by a visual announcement of not less than three seconds in duration that identifies the call sign assigned to that station and the principal city or community that is served by that station. 2.3 The holder of a Broadcasting Certificate for a broadcasting station or network that originates programming shall identify at least once every day, in the manner set out in 2.1 or 2.2, as the case may be, a station that is licensed to rebroadcast the programming. 2.4 Paragraph 2.3 does not apply in respect of a rebroadcasting station where the Broadcasting Certificate issued in respect of that rebroadcasting station specifies that the rebroadcasting station: (a) has been assigned a radio frequency without protection from interference caused by a broadcasting undertaking; (b) shall not cause interference to any broadcasting undertaking; and (c) is not within any zone that, by virtue of an agreement between Canada and any other country, requires Canada to obtain the concurrence of that other country to the establishment of that rebroadcasting station."

The bottom line is that the officially assigned call letters are to be identified at least once every hour on the hour +/- 10 minutes. So most stations are in flagrant violation of the rules.  Stations such as CFTR and CFMZ are compliant at the top of the hour.
Some years ago, the programming and marketing types got all wound up with cute monikers and many abandoned call signs entirely. 
CBC's use of the prefex "CB" is by agreement with Chile, because that prefix is not assigned to Canada. They too are also non-compliant.
Now if the Federal Government wants to make a dent in the huge Covid deficit, ISED could issue Administrative Monetary penalties for a violation of the Broadcasting General Rules, which requires compliance with BRP-1
"The certificate holder must comply with the requirements of the Broadcasting Procedures and Rules BPR-1, General Rules, as amended from time to time, and to the Broadcasting Procedures and Rules corresponding to the authorized type of broadcasting undertaking, as amended from time to time. The Broadcasting Procedures and Rules can be viewed at: http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/h_sf06134.html."
The Administrative Monetary Penalty for a Type 1 Violation such as:
"Installation, operation, or possession of any radio apparatus in contravention of any term or condition of a radio licence." is $1000 for the first occurrence and $3000 per subsequent occurrence. That amounts to $7200 per day or $26,280,000 annually, per station....

Skywave is absolutely right on the money about this. I just received an email from an official at Industry Canada, who confirmed all of the above. Here is his response: (Italics, where present are mine.)

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Please see my responses to your questions below:

1. Is there a requirement by law that all radio stations identify themselves by their assigned call letters at the top of every hour? (i.e not by their branding, like Boom 97.3 or Newstalk1010, but instead by CHBM or CFRB.) 

A:  According to the document: BPR-1: Broadcasting Procedures and Rules - General Rules, Section 7.2 Identification of broadcasting undertakings:

Pursuant to section 18 of the Radiocommunication Regulations, a broadcasting station for which a call sign has been issued must identify itself in accordance with the provisions of BETS-11.

The holder of the broadcasting certificate for a rebroadcasting undertaking complies with these requirements if its originating broadcasting undertaking identifies it in accordance with the provisions of section 2.3 of BETS-11.

Rebroadcasting undertakings that meet the criteria of section 2.4 of BETS-11 comply with these requirements.
 
For your reference:
 
Radiocommunication Regulations - Part II: Broadcasting Undertakings, Identification, Section 18:
 
The holder of a broadcasting certificate shall identify the broadcasting station in accordance with the Technical Requirements Respecting Identification of Broadcasting Stations, issued by the Minister, as amended from time to time.
 
BETS-11 — Technical Requirements Respecting the Identification of Broadcasting Stations, 2. Technical Requirements, Subsection 2.3:
 
The holder of a Broadcasting Certificate for a broadcasting station or network that originates programming shall identify at least once every day, in the manner set out in 2.1 or 2.2, as the case may be, a station that is licensed to rebroadcast the programming.
 
2. If so, why does this not seem to apply to CBC Radio, which only ever refers to itself as “CBC Radio 1” and not by its assigned calls. (i.e. CBLA-FM Toronto as an example?) 

A: CBC Radio is required to self-identify the broadcasting station by the same rules as outlined in BPR-1: General Rules.
 
3. Do the same rules apply to local TV stations? If so, why do stations like CFTO in Toronto only refer to themselves on air as “CTV Toronto” and never “CFTO.” Very few over the air television stations use their call letters any more at all, any time of the day or night. Why is that? Are they supposed to? 

A: Local TV stations are also required to self-identify their broadcast stations by the rules outlined in BPR-1: General Rules, although their requirements are slightly different:
 
BETS-11 — Technical Requirements Respecting the Identification of Broadcasting Stations, Section 2.2:
 
In the case of a television broadcasting station, the voice announcement may be replaced by a visual announcement of not less than three seconds in duration that identifies the call sign assigned to that station and the principal city or community that is served by that station.
 
 I hope I thoroughly answered your questions. If you have any further questions, please ask.

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And I have replied with a "further question." Clearly, neither CBC Radio or TV or CFTO follows these edicts. And they're not the only ones. If these are the rules and so many stations obviously do not comply with them, what - if anything - are the government regulators doing about it? This has been going on for years, and I haven't seen a single indication that anyone (besides me) actually cares about this. Are they going to crack down on this? I doubt it, but I will certainly let you know if I receive an answer. 

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February 25, 2021 7:47 pm  #36


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It looks like this has never been enforced at all and has been on the books for a long time.  And who has the responsibility, Industry Canada or CRTC or some other government body?  However once per hour is too much, not necessary in my opinion.  Maybe every 3 or 4 hours.  TV, and CBC, I still think it may have something to do with network owned and operated stations. 

Why does the document also talk about the holder of a Broadcasting Certificate for a Broadcasting Station or Network that originates programming shall identify at least once every day.  In that case if just once per day possibly most radio stations are doing this.   Also  the call letters often show on new radios, especially in the car.    Virgin Radio here in town shows as both Virgin and CFCA 105.3.  Same with Magic FM in Guelph, shows both Magic and CIMJ 106.1.  Maybe this is why it doesn't seem to be a big concern or brought up much?  

 

February 25, 2021 8:54 pm  #37


Re: Call Letters Question

My guess is that most people really don't care and that's why you never hear about it. It only came up here because a friend was asking about it. Otherwise, it's rarely a topic even on a board like this. I would think even twice a day (say at 6 AM and 6 PM) would be more than enough. But they don't even do that.  

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