Posted by RadioActive September 24, 2024 10:51 am | #1 |
I know some here don't like CFRB's Jerry Agar, but on Tuesday, he delivered a passionate defence of radio, even going so far as to insult Bell Media, which owns the station he broadcasts on.
It started with an explanation of why CTV News had to deliver an on-air apology for one of its stories and led Agar to recall his upbringing in Gilbert Plains, Manitoba, where his parents refused to get a TV. He said that led him to listen to a lot of AM radio with a one-eared headphone, and he made clear he wasn't listening to the bigger Top 40 stations in Winnipeg, like CKY 580.
Instead, he grew up with CKDM-AM in Dauphin during the day, while marvelling at John "Records" Landecker and Yvonne Daniels out of WLS Chicago at night, making radio a part of his very being.
And he took Bell to task for closing CJBK in London and other stations out west.
It was a great 10 minutes and hopefully, they'll put it up online when his show is done. It came right off the top, so it won't be hard to find. And you might be surprised by his take on whether the media leans overly in favour of the Liberals.
It was surprising, terrific and definitely worth a listen.
Posted by Chrisphen September 24, 2024 11:51 am | #2 |
So why did CTV have to do an on-air apology?
Posted by SpinningWheel September 24, 2024 12:07 pm | #3 |
Chrisphen wrote:
So why did CTV have to do an on-air apology?
Apparently CTV spliced a PP interview, producing a misrepresentation of what he really said. Their noses are understandably out of joint. 'The Conservatives are slamming CTV News for splicing a clip of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre.According to Sebastian Skamski – Poilievre’s Director of Media Relations – CTV ‘cut and ordered’ a clip of Poilievre “in such a way as to imply to viewers that the basis of our opposition day motion and confidence vote is to defeat the Liberals’ dental care program.”'
Posted by RadioActive September 24, 2024 12:43 pm | #4 |
You can hear the entire editorial here. It's the first part of the podcast, right off the top, after the obligatory commercial.
Posted by Chrisphen September 24, 2024 6:07 pm | #5 |
SpinningWheel wrote:
Chrisphen wrote:
So why did CTV have to do an on-air apology?
Apparently CTV spliced a PP interview, producing a misrepresentation of what he really said. Their noses are understandably out of joint. 'The Conservatives are slamming CTV News for splicing a clip of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre.According to Sebastian Skamski – Poilievre’s Director of Media Relations – CTV ‘cut and ordered’ a clip of Poilievre “in such a way as to imply to viewers that the basis of our opposition day motion and confidence vote is to defeat the Liberals’ dental care program.”'
Oh. I guess they wanted to frame that policy change themselves.
Posted by Saul Online! September 24, 2024 6:58 pm | #6 |
Chrisphen wrote:
SpinningWheel wrote:
Chrisphen wrote:
So why did CTV have to do an on-air apology?
Apparently CTV spliced a PP interview, producing a misrepresentation of what he really said. Their noses are understandably out of joint. 'The Conservatives are slamming CTV News for splicing a clip of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre.According to Sebastian Skamski – Poilievre’s Director of Media Relations – CTV ‘cut and ordered’ a clip of Poilievre “in such a way as to imply to viewers that the basis of our opposition day motion and confidence vote is to defeat the Liberals’ dental care program.”'
Oh. I guess they wanted to frame that policy change themselves.
The coming election will be marked by kindness.
Posted by Chrisphen September 24, 2024 7:30 pm | #7 |
Saul wrote:
Chrisphen wrote:
SpinningWheel wrote:
Apparently CTV spliced a PP interview, producing a misrepresentation of what he really said. Their noses are understandably out of joint. 'The Conservatives are slamming CTV News for splicing a clip of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre.According to Sebastian Skamski – Poilievre’s Director of Media Relations – CTV ‘cut and ordered’ a clip of Poilievre “in such a way as to imply to viewers that the basis of our opposition day motion and confidence vote is to defeat the Liberals’ dental care program.”'
Oh. I guess they wanted to frame that policy change themselves.
The coming election will be marked by kindness.
...and sale stickers from Deco.
Posted by Shorty Wave September 25, 2024 6:15 am | #8 |
I caught Agar yesterday morning and at first I thought he was kidding around but realized very quickly he wasn’t. He made some great points and was fairly passionate but I think Agar should be careful as Bell Media likes swinging their axe. My favourite part was his ending with radio waves travelling in space forever…..
Posted by RadioActive September 27, 2024 9:23 am | #9 |
SpinningWheel wrote:
Chrisphen wrote:
So why did CTV have to do an on-air apology?
Apparently CTV spliced a PP interview, producing a misrepresentation of what he really said. Their noses are understandably out of joint. 'The Conservatives are slamming CTV News for splicing a clip of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre. According to Sebastian Skamski – Poilievre’s Director of Media Relations – CTV ‘cut and ordered’ a clip of Poilievre “in such a way as to imply to viewers that the basis of our opposition day motion and confidence vote is to defeat the Liberals’ dental care program.”'
According to some anonymous sources, at least two people have been "moved out" of the CTV newsroom as a result of this incident, with at least one person saying he believes they've been terminated for the mistake. Names have not been announced but I should also stress that nothing has been confirmed as of yet. But it's a major embarrassment, so having someone (or two) walk the plank would not surprise me.
Posted by BowmanvilleBob September 27, 2024 9:31 am | #10 |
RadioActive wrote:
SpinningWheel wrote:
Chrisphen wrote:
So why did CTV have to do an on-air apology?
Apparently CTV spliced a PP interview, producing a misrepresentation of what he really said. Their noses are understandably out of joint. 'The Conservatives are slamming CTV News for splicing a clip of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre. According to Sebastian Skamski – Poilievre’s Director of Media Relations – CTV ‘cut and ordered’ a clip of Poilievre “in such a way as to imply to viewers that the basis of our opposition day motion and confidence vote is to defeat the Liberals’ dental care program.”'
According to some anonymous sources, at least two people have been "moved out" of the CTV newsroom as a result of this incident, with at least one person saying he believes they've been terminated for the mistake. Names have not been announced but I should also stress that nothing has been confirmed as of yet. But it's a major embarrassment, so having someone (or two) walk the plank would not surprise me.
Boom!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ctv-journalists-pierre-poilievre-1.7335509
Posted by RadioActive September 27, 2024 9:40 am | #11 |
I don't want to get overly political here, although with this story it seems almost inevitable. What I can say is I've worked in a TV newsroom for over 25 years and been in more than my share of editing suites. I simply cannot fathom how this could have happened by accident or because a rookie was behind the controls. It just doesn't work that way.
Putting a clip together like this would have had to be deliberate. It simply could not have taken place any other way.
The fact these people were "moved" (you'll notice it does not say outright fired) out of the newsroom, may indicate it wasn't an accident or a mistake. Whether you're on Team Blue, Team Red or Team Orange, I'm sure we can all agree it has to be kept out of reporting. Newsrooms cannot be found to be doing stuff like this. It hurts everyone's credibility at a time when the press is already under suspicion from way too many members of the public.
Posted by ig September 27, 2024 11:01 am | #12 |
I have _NO_ idea what happened, nor did I talk to anyone about it or ask about it. K?
So, what I mean to say is "I have _NO_ idea what happened, nor did I talk to anyone about it or ask about it. K?"
But being a smartass I've seen this happen and been a part of it happening many times. Someone 'creates' something funny that is for 'your eyes only'. Sometimes funny, sometimes just showing off what a great editor or whatever they are. They get tossed around, and end up on the Christmas boot tape or forgotten. Every so often that 'clip' ends up making it to air. Either because someone enters the wrong file number, because the title looks legit and the first 5 seconds seem okay, or because someone doesn't like the person and decides to sink them.
I know that sense of feeling every hair on your head as your blood runs cold when you think that the 'creation' you made has made it to air. I've been lucky to date; they were all false alarms, but that doesn't mean they weren't close to disastrous for my illustrious career.
As I said, I honestly have no idea how this happened, but for a clip, this bonehead stupid to make it on-air; my guess is it was a behind-the-scenes control room laugh that got fucked up and escaped into the ether.
Or some dope that ha a clip that ran 17 seconds over and assumed they could 'edit' the clip not understanding the context. This one is worse because it would suggest stupendous ignorance as an editor, as opposed to just being an idiot out to get attention.
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{edit} Wasn't there a morning show bit called Fractured News or something where they did exactly that? Took current news stories and edited the stories to be out of context or stupid. This must go back because I remember Trudeau's office (P, not J) going ballistic at one of the reports. The bit was clearly presented as parody, but had one of those clips accidentally made it into a newscast.. there would have been hell to pay.
RadioActive wrote:
I don't want to get overly political here, although with this story it seems almost inevitable. What I can say is I've worked in a TV newsroom for over 25 years and been in more than my share of editing suites. I simply cannot fathom how this could have happened by accident or because a rookie was behind the controls. It just doesn't work that way.
Putting a clip together like this would have had to be deliberate. It simply could not have taken place any other way.
The fact these people were "moved" (you'll notice it does not say outright fired) out of the newsroom, may indicate it wasn't an accident or a mistake. Whether you're on Team Blue, Team Red or Team Orange, I'm sure we can all agree it has to be kept out of reporting. Newsrooms cannot be found to be doing stuff like this. It hurts everyone's credibility at a time when the press is already under suspicion from way too many members of the public.
Posted by paterson1 September 27, 2024 11:11 am | #13 |
A mistake in my opinion for the leader of the opposition, in question period to accuse that the CEO of Bell had something to do with this. That is a bit much and falls into the conspiracy file which is something to avoid.
Posted by ig September 27, 2024 11:12 am | #14 |
I was floored and dissapointed by Andrew Scheer's video on the subject. I honestly believed he was better than that, but in the end, he's just another muck raking politician.
paterson1 wrote:
A mistake in my opinion for the leader of the opposition, in question period to accuse that the CEO of Bell had something to do with this. That is a bit much and falls into the conspiracy file which is something to avoid.
Posted by RadioActive September 27, 2024 11:22 am | #15 |
Even if it was a Christmas type tape, as you suggest, it was still deliberate, which is the point. I've made a lot of joking stuff behind the scenes, but it never, ever got close to getting on air, because I was super careful with it.
At a time when the so-called mainstream media, which has rules it must abide by, is under so much suspicion, they just can't afford to let this happen, no matter whose ox is being gored.
Unless it's a specifically marked opinion piece, you should never be able to tell who a reporter supports. That's for the audience to decide.
Posted by paterson1 September 27, 2024 12:56 pm | #16 |
It is interesting that other than the official apology on the CTV National News, the network has been silent on this story . This to me makes sense. CBC has given the controversy a fair bit of airplay and has been quite fair. Power and Politics with David Cochran seemed to be of the take that mistakes happen but this one was was a stretch to be a mistake. Although at times CBC host Cochran seemed to be sticking up for CTV's news department. They pretty much discounted that the CEO of Bell would have anything to do with this.
Posted by ig September 27, 2024 3:37 pm | #17 |
As I said, honestly no idea what happened, but no matter how careful you've been with stuff, more so now in the digital age, you're always at the mercy of the stupidest person in the building with access to production tools.
RadioActive wrote:
Even if it was a Christmas type tape, as you suggest, it was still deliberate, which is the point. I've made a lot of joking stuff behind the scenes, but it never, ever got close to getting on air, because I was super careful with it.
At a time when the so-called mainstream media, which has rules it must abide by, is under so much suspicion, they just can't afford to let this happen, no matter whose ox is being gored.
Unless it's a specifically marked opinion piece, you should never be able to tell who a reporter supports. That's for the audience to decide.
Posted by RadioActive September 27, 2024 3:49 pm | #18 |
Whatever happened, I can tell you there's a big difference between editing video and audio than just audio alone. The former takes a lot more time because of the visual component and you have to find cutaways to cover some parts of it, especially a clip of a person, because it's otherwise painfully obvious where something was cut out.
That's why I question how they blamed an inexperienced editor. And they almost certainly would not have cut ties with two people if it was all just an innocent accident.