The Southern Ontario/WNY Radio-TV Forum / Sept 23 WIVB Program Change

**Posted by mace** September 18, 2024 12:43 pm

The Buffalo Bills host the Jacksonville Jaguars on the ESPN MNF telecast. NFL rules permit the game to be carried on OTA stations in the home and visiting team markets. WIVB will carry the game in Buffalo. The station is preempting the CBS Evening News for "Buffalo Kickoff" At 7pm ESPN's Monday Night Countdown airs followed by the game at 7:30. I wonder if the folks at Rogers know about this. I suspect they don't and the timers will kick in at 7pm for the YesTV simsub of Wheel/Jeopardy. Then I wonder how long it will take Rogers to correct the situation.

**Posted by Radiowiz** September 18, 2024 12:49 pm

PLACE YOUR BETS FOLKS!!! PLACE YOUR BETS!!!!

**Posted by mace** September 18, 2024 1:11 pm

Yes I know I could watch the Countdown Show and the game on TSN. However, out of curiosity I will tune into WIVB to see if Rogers has their act together. Customers are paying to receive WIVB. When the station chooses to carry alternate programming it should always be available in a timely manner.

**Posted by Radiowiz** September 18, 2024 1:18 pm

mace wrote:
Yes I know I could watch the Countdown Show and the game on TSN. However, out of curiosity I will tune into WIVB to see if Rogers has their act together. Customers are paying to receive WIVB. When the station chooses to carry alternate programming it should always be available in a timely manner.

Unfortunately, the CRTC regulation only dictates that programming must be 95% identical.
Therefore, Rogers is allowed to not switch anything over for the first 5% of that 7PM half hour.
Anything after that puts their sim subbing in violation.

5% = the first 90 seconds. https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+5%25+of+30+minutes&rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA752CA752&oq=what+is+5%25+of+30+minutes&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQBhhA0gEJODM5NmowajE1qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Last edited by Radiowiz (September 18, 2024 1:20 pm)

**Posted by Dave The OTA guy** September 19, 2024 9:18 pm

Thanks CRTC: I'll change my OWN channel. With an antenna, I just miss all this ...and I'm fine with that.

Last edited by Dave The OTA guy (September 19, 2024 9:18 pm)

**Posted by mace** September 20, 2024 7:06 am

Dave The OTA guy wrote:
Thanks CRTC: I'll change my OWN channel. With an antenna, I just miss all this ...and I'm fine with that.

Unfortunately, living in an apartment, without a balconey, means an antenna is not an option for me. Even if I did have a balconey, my apartment faces north, so I would still be screwed. Someone in the next building, whose apartment faces west has an antenna that looks like an "8" discreetly attached to his balconey. It has been there for a year or two so I imagine he gets acceptable reception from the Buffalo channels.

**Posted by mace** September 20, 2024 7:11 am

Radiowiz wrote:
mace wrote:
Yes I know I could watch the Countdown Show and the game on TSN. However, out of curiosity I will tune into WIVB to see if Rogers has their act together. Customers are paying to receive WIVB. When the station chooses to carry alternate programming it should always be available in a timely manner.
Unfortunately, the CRTC regulation only dictates that programming must be 95% identical.
Therefore, Rogers is allowed to not switch anything over for the first 5% of that 7PM half hour.
Anything after that puts their sim subbing in violation.

5% = the first 90 seconds. https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+5%25+of+30+minutes&rlz=1C1GGRV_enCA752CA752&oq=what+is+5%25+of+30+minutes&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQBhhA0gEJODM5NmowajE1qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

That is interesting. I did not know that. To be fair Rogers is almost always bang on timewise on their regular daily simsubs.

**Posted by paterson1** September 20, 2024 9:14 am

I don't know about Buffalo, but the Detroit stations clobber shows and commercial breaks at the top and bottom of the hour when they are switching from network to local breaks during prime time, weekend or in the morning. This happens anytime they are in network hours. Sometimes it is a real mess with dead air, and chopped ads, even cutting late into shows after a local break.

**Posted by mace** September 20, 2024 10:53 am

The Seattle stations sometimes insert local ads/promos over network promos during network shows. When the switchback occurs you see the last second or two of the network promo.

**Posted by mace** September 23, 2024 7:10 pm

Rogers came through correctly. WIVB's Bills pregame show aired without any simsub interruption at 7pm.

**Posted by RadioActive** September 23, 2024 7:45 pm

It was interesting to see the game of competitive chicken that was going on during all this in Buffalo.

Knowing that WIVB not only had the game coverage on Monday but also a special pre-game program beforehand, WGRZ Channel 2 interrupted NBC Nightly News at 6:30 PM for their own half hour pre-game show, beating Channel 4 by half an hour.

They then aired Lester Holt's Nightly News at 7.

I'm not sure I've ever seen them do this before, but at least they did finally show the newscast.

**Posted by mace** September 23, 2024 8:04 pm

RadioActive wrote:
It was interesting to see the game of competitive chicken that was going on during all this in Buffalo.

Knowing that WIVB not only had the game coverage on Monday but also a special pre-game program beforehand, WGRZ Channel 2 interrupted NBC Nightly News at 6:30 PM for their own half hour pre-game show, beating Channel 4 by half an hour.

They then aired Lester Holt's Nightly News at 7.

I'm not sure I've ever seen them do this before, but at least they did finally show the newscast.

Actually they didn't. WIVB dumped the CBS Evening News to air their own Bills pre-game show.

**Posted by RadioActive** September 23, 2024 8:15 pm

Had no idea they did that. So 2 & 4 were competing against each other for the same eyeballs - Bills' fans -at the same time. I'm guessing WIVB won, since everyone knows they had coverage of the game.

I hope this doesn't become a habit. I like my Nightly News at 6:30 PM where it belongs.

**Posted by mace** September 23, 2024 9:08 pm

The Bills have only one more Monday game on October 14 in New York against the Jets at 8:15. It is on ESPN so NFL rules dictate that all ESPN games be carried OTA in the home and visiting team markets. WGRZ, WIVB or WKBW will carry the game. With an 8:15 kickoff, I can't see any local pre-game show starting before 7pm. The 6:30 network newscasts should be safe.