London Radio Listeners May Notice An Erie Station Is No Longer There

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Posted by RadioActive
March 18, 2025 7:13 am
#1

As the slow death knell of AM continues to unwind, there's another casualty that those who live in the London area or DX stations elsewhere might notice - there's no longer any signal coming from 1260. That was the longtime home of WRIE in Erie, Pa., which has been every format possible over the years, but it's the outlet's Top 40 past that I most remember. 

Owner Cumulus says it could no longer justify the expense of running the place, with so few returns. Although the corporate speak in its announcement is typically bloodless and non-emotional. 

Some stations "are no longer the right strategic fit within their respective markets."

"As a result, we have made the decision to suspend operations at these stations — an adjustment that impacts very few individuals — while we evaluate the best path forward, allowing us to focus on strengthening and maximizing the impact of our other brands."

The station was broadcasting a syndicated sports talk network as well as the Cleveland Guardians' games and the company insists there are no real job losses. 

The station has been on the air since 1949, but that history stopped for good last week.

Longtime Erie radio station goes dark 


 
Posted by WindsorWatcher
March 18, 2025 10:31 am
#2

Many years ago, when I lived in southern Chatham-Kent, Cleveland’s 1260 and Erie’s 1260 would clobber one another, with Cleveland winning on points. 

 
Posted by Saul
March 18, 2025 12:19 pm
#3

WindsorWatcher wrote:

Many years ago, when I lived in southern Chatham-Kent, Cleveland’s 1260 and Erie’s 1260 would clobber one another, with Cleveland winning on points. 

Yes, crazy for them to be so close. I wonder what the signals were like for each of them in the border areas. they're dominant in the Kawarthas, probably mostly Cleveland. Zeeland MI also equal at times.
 

 
Posted by gch
March 18, 2025 12:51 pm
#4

1220 St Catherines  and 1220 Cleveland also are close...daytime in Toronto 1220 comes in fairly ok, but at night it often disappears and 1220 comes through.........also  610 St Catherines and 610 Columbus...
speaking of 610, I hope after the change, they find a way to keep Karl Dockstader....with his Sunday am show and the Indigenous show on Saturdays,  which has run on CKLW 800 Windsor  (it used to be on 1150, before the sale)   by the way I enjoy CKOC,  I sure hope they can get some ads to keep going

CKWW Windsor does  have some commercials  and I hope it does well

 
Posted by RadioActive
March 18, 2025 1:00 pm
#5

A radio veteran weighs in with a gloomy question. 

Can Turning Off Radio Stations Actually Be A Positive for the Industry?

 
Posted by darcyh
March 18, 2025 8:35 pm
#6

Interesting that two stations so close were on the same channel / frequency; both directional and fairly significant power too (5 & 10 KW) I could never copy either station very well in London.

One time Cleveland's 105.7 FM ran a 1260 WIXI tribute weekend where they recreated 1260's top 40 format and jingles. It was fun to listen to. Radio locator shows both stations should have covered their town of licence quite well with the transmitter south of the city and the majority of the power radiating north, but I cannot confirm this.

In addition to low ratings usually brought on by programming cuts I am guessing the transmitter facility is ageing out and would need significant cash. Assuming the land is owned it is probably worth more than the station. Sad.

What station(s) in Ontario are next?

It would not necessarily be a bad thing to see the heard thinned; and allow programming to be improved on the stations that survive, but we know that is not likely to happen.
 

Last edited by darcyh (March 18, 2025 8:35 pm)

 
Posted by RadioAaron
March 18, 2025 8:41 pm
#7

I agree than the thinning of the heard won't improve programming on remaining stations, but I concur with the author that re-directing revenue to performing properties does buy a little time.

 
Posted by RadioAaron
March 18, 2025 8:48 pm
#8

darcyh wrote:

What station(s) in Ontario are next?
 

There are so few AMs left to begin with!

I'll go with 600 North Bay. After that, 1200 Ottawa and 1580 Oshawa. 

Locally, 1050 and 680. (with 680's format moving to a combo of 590/FM)

Last edited by RadioAaron (March 18, 2025 8:49 pm)

 
Posted by Paul Jeffries
March 18, 2025 9:05 pm
#9

RadioAaron wrote:

darcyh wrote:

What station(s) in Ontario are next?
 

There are so few AMs left to begin with!

I'll go with 600 North Bay. After that, 1200 Ottawa and 1580 Oshawa. 

Locally, 1050 and 680. (with 680's format moving to a combo of 590/FM)

I'm surprised that AM 640 is still standing.


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Posted by paterson1
March 18, 2025 9:48 pm
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We still have Guelph's 1460 CJOY, with rumours it could close soon.  570 CKGL in K/W all news/sports/talk.

CFOS Owen Sound will be moving to FM in the weeks ahead, and CKNX 920 in Wingham hoping to shift as well. CFCO in Chatham still broadcasting on AM but also looking to move.

1250 CJYE from Oakville and CKOC and CHAM in Hamilton are still operating as is CKWW and CKLW in Windsor.  Mississauga has ethnic CINA 1650, CKNT News/Talk 960 and 1320 CJMR.  980 CFPL London is the only AM in that city.
 
CFRA in Ottawa on 580 is hanging in, as is CFGO 1200 TSN Sports, CKDO 1580 Oshawa, CJBQ in Belleville,  Brampton has two with 530 CHLO and 1350 CIRF. St. Catharines also two AM's with 610 CKTB and CFAJ 1220.

Believe it or not, Toronto still has 12 AM stations on frequencies 590, 640, 680, 740, 860, 1010, 1050, 1280, 1430, 1540, 1610 and 1690.  Technically 640 isn't licensed to Toronto but is a de facto Toronto station.

I would imagine CBC/Radio Canada still has some AM repeater stations for a few english and french outlets likely in Northern Ontario.
 
Could have missed one or two but this gives a rough idea on the AM stations still broadcasting in Ontario.  Looks like around 36 altogether which is sort of surprising.   

   

Last edited by paterson1 (March 19, 2025 5:50 pm)

 
Posted by RadioActive
March 18, 2025 10:29 pm
#11

Fair to point out that CKDO has an FM rebroadcaster at 107.7, which unfortunately, doesn't reach most of Toronto. So if it disappears from 1580, it would most likely still be around. (Also on 95.9 HD3 not that anyone actually listens that way.)

Durham Radio's HD Station List

 
Posted by mace
March 19, 2025 7:15 am
#12

When I got my first transistor radio in the mid 1960's, I discovered if the radio was laying north/south CHSC was dominant. Turned east/west it was all WGAR. I later discovered WKYC [now WTAM] which was as clear as CHUM no matter which way my radio was turned.

 
Posted by WindsorWatcher
March 19, 2025 10:02 am
#13

Another AM signal in Windsor is CBEF, 1550, the Radio-Canada outlet. It moved there from 540 and its failing transmitting facility when CBE migrated to FM. CBEF programming also can be heard on FM. 

 
Posted by paterson1
March 19, 2025 5:57 pm
#14

Thanks WindsorWatcher regarding CBEF.  I found another in Northern Ontario with 1090 CBON a low power AM repeater in Mattawa for Radio-Canada.  There may be one or two community AM stations that we don't know about.

So 36 frequencies and stations on the AM dial in Ontario with at least 3 planning to move to FM later this year.  Still surprising that Toronto has 12 AM stations in 2025. 

 
Posted by RadioAaron
March 19, 2025 6:19 pm
#15

NYC has 24. Though, since WCBS signed off and WINS effectively moved to FM, none of them are real players.

 
Posted by RadioActive
March 19, 2025 7:31 pm
#16

I think WABC still does quite well.

 
Posted by RadioAaron
March 19, 2025 7:36 pm
#17

RadioActive wrote:

I think WABC still does quite well.

Not really. It's at the bottom of the ratings that matter and has very few paid commercials.

 
Posted by RadioActive
March 19, 2025 8:17 pm
#18

You probably won't consider this ratings that matter, but in this list it's #9 out of all the 54 stations available and the only AM in the Top10. I'd say given the current state of the band, that's not terrible.

NYC Jan. Radio Ratings

 
Posted by RadioAaron
March 19, 2025 8:23 pm
#19

RadioActive wrote:

You probably won't consider this ratings that matter, but in this list it's #9 out of all the 54 stations available in the list and the only AM in the Top10. I'd say given the current state of the band, that's not terrible.

https://barrettmedia.com/ratings-3/new-york/s-3/new-york/">NYC Jan. Radio Ratings

They don't matter, they have no correlation with revenue.

Listen for an hour; there are almost no commercials, and the ones they have are mostly pay-per-enquiry - meaning the client pays nothing upfront and only when a sale is made from someone who entered the keyword.

The station has virtually no revenue.

The owner is a billionaire (that's a thousand million) and the cost to buy and run the station is pocket change to him. It's a soapbox and a hobby, not a successful radio station. 

 
Posted by Dial Twister
March 19, 2025 8:51 pm
#20

And, Lord, don't we know what billionaire's with soap boxes are doing to society.

 
Posted by mace
March 19, 2025 10:08 pm
#21

Unfortunate we don't have access to the 25-54 numbers, or do we??

 
Posted by WindsorWatcher
March 20, 2025 7:38 am
#22

Add Sarnia's CHOK at 1070 to the list of existing AM stations. It also can be heard on FM. 

 
Posted by gch
March 25, 2025 7:16 am
#23

It's interesting to note that CFCO will be celebrating 100 years in 2026  & CHOK will be celebrating 80 years in 2026.
They both have good, powerful signals
CFCO already has 92.9 as a repeater, which works in Chatham-Kent  and its proposed new frequency will conflict with a Michigan station near Port Huron.     CHOK has 103.9 as a repeater, but again, with limited range.  Does CHOK have any plans to shut down 1070...
CFCO 630 had AM stereo, but I don't know if they still do 

I have enjoyed listening to CFCO since the 1960s when I lived in Michigan and in Chatham...it was listenable in Toronto until 640 went on the air.


 

 
Posted by kevjo
March 26, 2025 7:43 pm
#24

gch wrote:

It's interesting to note that CFCO will be celebrating 100 years in 2026  & CHOK will be celebrating 80 years in 2026.
    CHOK has 103.9 as a repeater, but again, with limited range.  Does CHOK have any plans to shut down 1070...

 

CHOK on 103.9, as mentioned has a very limited signal range so to shut down the AM would be a bad move. The station would lose a sizeable chunk of its coverage area.

 
Posted by torontostan
March 26, 2025 10:41 pm
#25

kevjo wrote:

CHOK on 103.9, as mentioned has a very limited signal range so to shut down the AM would be a bad move. The station would lose a sizeable chunk of its coverage area.

It doesn't matter. Once one of these two things occur, the AM shuts down, simple as that...

A: The AM transmitter needs replacement, and no diary station will want to fork over $200,000+
B: The land they transmit from becomes too valuable to sit on

Even if the CHOK FM signal only covers Sarnia... that's probably where most of their listenership comes from as it stands in 2025. 

Last edited by torontostan (March 26, 2025 10:46 pm)

 
Posted by torontostan
March 26, 2025 10:45 pm
#26

RadioAaron wrote:

darcyh wrote:

What station(s) in Ontario are next? 

There are so few AMs left to begin with!

I'll go with 600 North Bay. After that, 1200 Ottawa and 1580 Oshawa. 

Locally, 1050 and 680. (with 680's format moving to a combo of 590/FM)

Disagree. The 590 signal will shut down before 680. 680 will be the last english AM station standing in Toronto. I give the rest of them (640, 740, 1010, 1050) 5 years. It will go 1050, then 640, 740, 1010, and finish with 680 in about 10 years tops. 

Last edited by torontostan (March 26, 2025 10:46 pm)

 
Posted by gch
March 27, 2025 8:06 am
#27

I hope they keep 740, 1010 and 680

I suppose the advertisers  don't really care that I am listening from a distance

I travelled to Kansas City last summer and the "big"  AM stations were handy for news, weather and traffic

In the US   WBBM Chicago and the FAN in NYC  have FM repeaters, while keeping the AM
I guess I have a fondness of the AM powerhouses
 

 
Posted by RadioAaron
March 27, 2025 9:14 am
#28

torontostan wrote:

RadioAaron wrote:

darcyh wrote:

What station(s) in Ontario are next? 

There are so few AMs left to begin with!

I'll go with 600 North Bay. After that, 1200 Ottawa and 1580 Oshawa. 

Locally, 1050 and 680. (with 680's format moving to a combo of 590/FM)

Disagree. The 590 signal will shut down before 680. 680 will be the last english AM station standing in Toronto. I give the rest of them (640, 740, 1010, 1050) 5 years. It will go 1050, then 640, 740, 1010, and finish with 680 in about 10 years tops. 

Yes, I have the 680 format moving to 590. In an earlier thread, someone pointed out that the 680tx sits on much more valuable land than 590's
 

 


 
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