tvguy wrote:

Looking forward to baseball play by play at skydome

Where?
April first came and went!     

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It's Rogers Centre: http://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2016/04/rogers_centre_to_be_renamed_skydome/

Same reason 640 is on 95.3 rather than 102.1 or 107.1, I guess. So that leaves Bell out of luck and Newcap with no AM in need of simulcast. Though maybe the new Bell/Newcap sales agreement can take care of that
 

I'd bet the next 'HD' (A laughable marketing term) Fm station to go will be Moses'.    I'd bet getting 740 on there would be a goal since CFMX(Y/Z) has a far better signal than 96.7.   The problem is Classical needs more than 96k to sound reasonable, so it (should) get a bears share of the bandwidth,  

But now the 'something for nothing' argument will kick in, for all the broadcasters, with sales eventually wanting to offer up data as well as the multiple audio streams.  It's all got to come from somewhere.

Suddenly the 'hd' talk station is at 48 or 56k and you're lucky if the music ones hit 96k.  But, we'll see what happens.


 

That's a great question.  Are they unregulated?  

They're data streams..  so...   but they're also broadcast terrestrially, and even the SCMO/SCA stuff had to be licensed and I don't see this being much different.

I'd guess if they are unregulated, they won't be for long

ig.

Tim Brown 2016 wrote:

radiokid wrote:

Without unique content, you will never get the listeners to care.

Just thinking... If those secondary services are completely free of CRTC regulations we could hear some interesting programming. 102.5 HD2 was all-blues at one time. Not sure if it still is.

Rogers has updated their Toronto and Vancouver websites and issued press releases, twitters, etc today. "how to" tune HD instructions are also on the websites:

BTW it will always be "skydome".  I despise all of these so-called "naming rights"   - how many times per broadcast are we subjected to the "Samsung Broadcast Booth - at Rogers Centre".   It isn't even a booth.  It seems to be a tent erected above the space over 3rd base & outfield".   Radio stations 680 NEWS, KiSS 92.5, and Sportsnet 590 The FAN in Toronto, as well as 96.9 JACK fm and NEWS 1130 in Vancouver are now broadcasting in HD.The HD broadcasts can be accessed on any portable or in-dash HD-enabled device, with no internet connection or monthly fee required. Click here to find out how it works.“We are constantly looking at ways to enhance the listener experience and are thrilled to be providing our listeners in the Toronto and Vancouver regions with HD quality content from their favourite stations,” said Julie Adam, Senior Vice President, Rogers Radio. “Delivering today’s top hit music, news and sports coverage in HD creates a fully immersive experience that we know our listeners will appreciate.”In addition to the enhanced audio, listeners will also get digital content on their HD radio devices, featuring song titles, album art, and artist information."

tvguy wrote:

BTW it will always be "skydome"

It's the Rogers centre. Like it or not that is what it is. That is what it is called. 
There is no skydome.
Sky what? Nope it's the Rogers centre...call it what it is please, unless you have the money to change the name back.



(or feel free to annoy others who think like you...with the right amount of money, I suppose you can change the name to anything you want...in fair reason, ofcourse.)


 

Last edited by Radiowiz (June 28, 2016 2:37 am)

Driving my wife's car with equipped HD radio, I started listening to 680 on AM, then quickly realized I could tune in to 92.5. When I did, it just so happened  it was at the top of the hour. I learned something right away.

Don't set your clocks/watches by the time tones at the hour, and half hour, marks when listening to the 680-HD2 channel. When I switched over to the HD feed I re-heard the time tone again,a good (read - bad) 30 second delayafter hearing it on the AM.

Last edited by DeepTracks (July 21, 2016 9:54 am)

It depends how Rogers is getting 680 to the Transmitter... They may simply be using a internet stream at the 92.5 transmitter site  and broadcasting it on the HD side.  Normal HD delay is milliseconds not 30 seconds.   They are clearly adding delay somewhere.    I'm sure if you flipped between 92.5 analog and 92.5 HD1 there would be next to no delay at all as it would/should be the same audio souce..

Last edited by radiokid (July 21, 2016 12:37 pm)

Contacted a couple of people at Rogers about the delay.  No one is able to explain the 34 second delay.   The internet delay for CJCL 590 is less than 1 second based on a monitor on Thursday.  So we can't blame the Internet for the additional 33-1/2 second delay.  This also makes no sense because there is no delay between the main channel KISS FM and their HD-1 signal.  Nor is there a delay between Durham Radio's KX96 analogue and HD signals.  The IBOC system --- if properly set up - does not have an inherent delay of any significant length.  Some radios introduce a slight delay as they "process" the digital signal...but it's never significant...My guess is that someone in Rogers' engineering department has made a major blunder in the set-up of their HD2 and HD3 signals..and everyone we've contacted at Rogers on the programming side are being fed BS....any P. Engs out there who might have more insight?

tvguy wrote:

This also makes no sense because there is no delay between the main channel KISS FM and their HD-1 signal.

The difference here is that KISS already has an audio link to the transmitter location; it's just being spliced into two transmitters. They would have needed to establish a new link for 680 and 590.

tvguy wrote:

The internet delay for CJCL 590 is less than 1 second based on a monitor on Thursday

Did you check 680, which is where the original poster noticed it? Could be 590 runs a delay on its AM, and not on its stream, thereby coincidentally matching them
 

Delays are just a fact of life in the digital world.

We're Bell Satellite customers.  I've got a receiver in the living room and there's also a receiver in the adjoining office.  Sure enough, there's always a delay between both receivers if they are set to the same channel.  It varies depending on the whim of the receiver's processing at that moment.

As for time, I can remember as a ;youngster tuning into WWV or CHU to set my watch.  These days, my main computer hit an NTP server every 13 minutes so I just go by that.  

Then again, as I get older, "close enough" has become acceptable.
 

tvguy wrote:

CFTR's internet feed is 14 seconds "ahead" of the HD2 feed.
CFTR's internet feed is 11 seconds "behind" the AM off air signal.

That means approximately the same "delay" on HD2 - 34/35 seconds.

Still makes no sense that the HD  "delay" is that far behind AM air signal.(35 second) delay is so far behind AM air signal.

Likely the feed to the TX's HD exciter is not via STL or Bell Lines.

 

Right. Clearly not STL or Bell. And you've made a good case against streaming. Maybe a Rogers cable box?