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February 3, 2021 12:41 pm  #61


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

Do you all think that the merging of the CFTO and CP24 newsrooms are inevitable? 

 

February 3, 2021 12:43 pm  #62


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

In Phase wrote:

paterson1 wrote:

Also did they not have some big cutbacks not long after buying out CHUM and Astral, or at least when the merger was finally approved by the CRTC around 2007/8?

yup

I was one of them   https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons3/blush.png


life goes on

Sorry to hear that In Phase.  Hope that things eventually worked out for you. 

 

February 3, 2021 12:47 pm  #63


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ED1 wrote:

Do you all think that the merging of the CFTO and CP24 newsrooms are inevitable? 

I've long been surprised it didn't happen back in 2009. After all, CityPulse and CP24 had a single newsroom when they were both under CHUM ownership.

Canada's only other local news cable channel, BC1, has no separation at all from Global BC, it's basically like CityPulse and CP24 in the old days (though a lot less flashy). BC1 simulcasts all local news from Global BC, BC1 doesn't air a competing morning show - and CP24 in the old days simulcast all news from Channel 57 from Breakfast Television to CityPulse Tonight.

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February 3, 2021 12:54 pm  #64


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

A selection of some notable Tweets about the Bell bloodletting:

https://i.ibb.co/YNf8pfP/Clipboard03.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jgwqhRT/Clipboard04.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jg9MXQF/Clipboard02.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/6rW1zD7/Clipboard05.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/P9Pnq9J/Clipboard07.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/ScNLCzB/Clipboard01.jpg

And finally, one perhaps more hopeful message:

https://i.ibb.co/nfBn6Pm/twi.jpg

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February 3, 2021 1:04 pm  #65


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No top of the hour noon news leading into Evan Solomon on CFRB. Just endless spots. 

I guess Colton Praill is busy in Ottawa. 

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February 3, 2021 1:21 pm  #66


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Noon news for CTV Toronto goes to ads heavily promoting "MOVE FM" and not a single ad for CHUM FM.
 

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RadioWiz & RadioQuiz are NOT the same person. 
RadioWiz & THE Wiz are NOT the same person.
 
 

February 3, 2021 1:51 pm  #67


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

They have been promoting CHUM on CP24 a lot. 

 

February 3, 2021 2:04 pm  #68


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RadioActive wrote:

No top of the hour noon news leading into Evan Solomon on CFRB. Just endless spots. 

I guess Colton Praill is busy in Ottawa. 

They found Colton for the 1 PM cast. If yesterday is any indication, he'll be on until 10 PM tonight! (Pre-taped, of course)

Less than 24 hours since the carnage and they've already become a joke. 

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February 3, 2021 2:06 pm  #69


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Do I recall correctly that 1050 CHUM simulcast CP24 briefly?  The absence of visuals was stark.  While listening I found myself wondering about the names, titles and context that visuals would normally deliver.

If this approach is headed toward NT1010, the bean counters likely haven't factored strengthening 680 News and variations of the green brand at the expense CTV News and CFRB News.

"Theatre of the mind" can be pushed only so far in radio.
 

 

February 3, 2021 2:21 pm  #70


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Yes, when CHUM became an audio version of CP24 after it abandoned oldies, the criticism was huge. It started in March 2009 under the unwieldy name of "CP24 Radio 1050," but it didn't last long. The goal was to be able to take CP24 with you in your car, but for the very reasons you state, it didn't work and drew huge complaints - and few listeners. 

An article in the Toronto Sun not long after the launch pointed out all the pitfalls of the idea. Ironically, considering what happened yesterday, it was written by Ted Woloshyn.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090329050740/http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/ted_woloshyn/2009/03/28/8914056-sun.html

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Edit: By the way, if you choose the "comments" tab in the link above, one of them, posted so long ago, could just as easily be relevant to what happened yesterday. Proving some things involving Bell never change.

"What a friggin' nightmarish disappointment this is. No warning? No goodbye? NO CLASS! If this is what the future of media convergence is then count me out. Way to completely ignore loyal listeners just because they aren't 18-34 males. Nice.

Sure the format was eventually gunna die but could you at least have given us a chance to say goodbye? Marc Chambers must be (rockin' and) rolling in his grave. All of that fine work flushed down the can so that another 10cents could be squeezed outta CP24.

And thanks for taking the CHUM charts off the web. Scumbags! Do the current owners feel passion about anything except making a quick buck?" 

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February 3, 2021 3:15 pm  #71


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Is Jim Richards among the cuts at 1010? The Rush with Doyle and Michaels began at 2:00 instead of 4:00 and, according to the 1010 website, they are now on weekdays from 2:00 to 6:00.

 

February 3, 2021 3:29 pm  #72


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

It would appear that way.... The tv audio starting at 6pm.... show me one place that has ever worked?

This is the prime example of what happens when accountants run the show and not people with the bigger picture. 

 

February 3, 2021 3:37 pm  #73


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 Based on https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1010 (as of this particular moment I write this, anyway), Jamil Jivani moves to 7 pm ET and 10 pm is a reroll of "Question Period with Evan Solomon". Not sure if that implies Jamil is moving to a 3 hour slot or it's just an hour of his show and 2 hours of other rerolls or fillers they haven't formally published in the schedule yet.

 

February 3, 2021 4:19 pm  #74


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

This doesn't really surprise me, given everything that happened this week. CKTB has been airing segments from Solomon's CTV show at night for months. It costs them nothing because it's already produced, needs no talent to be in the studio, no producer or operator. Of course Bell will take the cheapest route.

Although he's Tweeted today, there's not a word on Jim Richards' Twitter or Instagram accounts about what happened. The closest is a note about Fred vanVleet's scoring record, which says "This was great. On a tough day."

If there's any good news, it's that Richards is one of the longest serving hosts at 1010. His severance payday pay out could be in the 6-figure range. 

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February 3, 2021 4:37 pm  #75


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CKTB's website has been updated to reflect that Jerry Agar is now simulcast on 610. Today it was on from 10:00 a.m. to noon but looks like starting tomorrow it will be the entire three hours.

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February 3, 2021 4:58 pm  #76


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

Which confirms the earlier report about the "iHeart Radio Talk Network" extro he used at each break. (By the way, at one point on Wednesday, as they went to commercial and the stinger music was playing, he talked completely over it until it more than ended and then stumbled, prompting him to say, "I'm still getting used to this!")

This will change his show immensely. It will be hard to talk about the "idiots" at Toronto City Hall or any truly local city issue when you're on in other parts of Ontario, where T.O politics don't matter. Joe Cressy must be breathing a sigh of relief!

By the way, I'm not sure how this will be greeted by listeners in other places. I remember when Mike Bullard was being simulcast on 610. After the show was over, local programming resumed, and caller after caller expressed anger that a Toronto-based show was being presented in St. Catharines. There's nothing to say they won't feel the same way about Agar, and of course, RB's signal reaches the Niagara area, so if they wanted to hear him, they could. 

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February 3, 2021 5:31 pm  #77


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radiokid wrote:

It would appear that way.... The tv audio starting at 6pm.... show me one place that has ever worked?

This is the prime example of what happens when accountants run the show and not people with the bigger picture. 

A few radio stations do this - I know CJBK has done this with CTV London's 6pm news for several years now. And on the west coast CKNW airs the first half hour of Global BC's News Hour and then Global National at 6:30. If I'm not mistaken WCBS 880 in NYC also simulcasts the CBS Evening News. No idea how any of those work out in the ratings.

 

February 3, 2021 5:36 pm  #78


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Steve Faguy is reporting the weekend newscasts on CTV Vancouver Island are cancelled. That is a CTV2 station, so I wonder if that will extend to Ontario.

That said, CTV VI does more local news production than the CTV2 stations in Ontario; they're the only CTV2 station to have a 5:00 newscast in addition to their 6:00. So CTV VI has more to cut than the others without violating the local news requirements in their license. But I also know Windsor and London have simulcast weekend news in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that return.

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February 3, 2021 5:49 pm  #79


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MJ Vancouver wrote:

radiokid wrote:

It would appear that way.... The tv audio starting at 6pm.... show me one place that has ever worked?

This is the prime example of what happens when accountants run the show and not people with the bigger picture. 

A few radio stations do this - I know CJBK has done this with CTV London's 6pm news for several years now. And on the west coast CKNW airs the first half hour of Global BC's News Hour and then Global National at 6:30. If I'm not mistaken WCBS 880 in NYC also simulcasts the CBS Evening News. No idea how any of those work out in the ratings.

It does about as well as CP24 Radio 1050 did..    It's cheap programming... but it's not going to build any audience for radio, or keep them..   Global News at 6 on GNR isn't moving any audience to 640 either.. that's your recent local example.   

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February 3, 2021 5:54 pm  #80


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radiokid wrote:

It would appear that way.... The tv audio starting at 6pm.... show me one place that has ever worked?

This is the prime example of what happens when accountants run the show and not people with the bigger picture. 

GNR640 has been running Global's Toronto newscast every night at 6 PM for a while. And on weekends, they also simulcast Global National at 6:30 PM. Cheaper than real original radio programming.

Speaking of TV audio on the radio, both WCBS-AM NYC and WBBM-AM Chicago air the audio from "60 Minutes" every Sunday at 7 PM EST (6 PM in Chicago.) What's most interesting about the simulcast is that it goes on air regardless of whether there are football or other sports overruns on the TV network. 

(Years ago both CFRB and CKTB would do the same thing for a while, but it didn't last long and since giving up their affiliation with CBS Radio, it's now impossible.)   

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February 3, 2021 5:57 pm  #81


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RadioActive wrote:

radiokid wrote:

It would appear that way.... The tv audio starting at 6pm.... show me one place that has ever worked?

This is the prime example of what happens when accountants run the show and not people with the bigger picture. 

GNR640 has been running Global's Toronto newscast every night at 6 PM for a while. And on weekends, they also simulcast Global National at 6:30 PM. Cheaper than real original radio programming. 

That's my point...   It's cheap... but doesn't do anything to help a already weak rated station.   Every market that does this in Canada, does not see payoffs.   Reruns that cost 0 would be better after a pre-recorded radio newscast than hearing "as you can see" every 5 mins on radio with sounds of wind over the mic. 

60 mins works because it's an interview heavy news magazine that doesn't use as much time without a voice over.    It's still not great but I would say for a once a week program, the way it's produced, works for both platforms.   Even while it was on 1010 and 610, both never noticed any ratings bump or benefit from airing the program..  

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February 3, 2021 6:26 pm  #82


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When television news runs anytime in the evening on radio, Global or Bell are not thinking at all about the radio station.  It is used to promote their TV news.  6pm is all about Global TV news and their battle with CTV news Toronto.  Global could very well be making some inroads against  CTV Toronto.  The newscast is live, so any breaking news makes it to the radio as well as a bonus, but it is all about TV.

Looks like for now Jerry Agar is only on in Toronto and CKTB mid morning in Ontario. But this happened about 15 years ago as well when "The Mott's" simulcast on 1010 and CKTB for a time mid morning. 

Don't know if Jerry running anywhere else in the country.  But if he on any stations in western Canada he may well like it.  Gives him a chance to bash the liberals and Trudeau even more than his almost daily rants on 1010.  And a national audience maybe?  Jerry is likely well pleased and plotting the next move even as we speak.....https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons3/angry.png

 

February 3, 2021 7:08 pm  #83


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Jay Michaels just signed off The Rush by telling listeners he would see them tomorrow "at 4".. long pause..."at 2!"

Seems it's not that easy for them to get used to. 

If I were a regular listener without any special knowledge of what's going on, I would be P.O.d that no one on the station is explaining the sudden changes. Where's Jim Richards? Why is The Rush starting at 2? Where's David McKee's News & Views? What happened to Barb's show? Since when is the TV news on at 6 PM?

What a disservice to their loyal listeners who find all their regular features gone without a trace in a single day - and absolutely not a word of explanation. In fact, this is a huge deal - and it hasn't been reported on any of their stations, not even BNN Bloomberg that I could find - and it's inarguably a huge business story. With the exception of a small Canadian Press story on the CTV News website, the company has all but ignored it.

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February 3, 2021 7:12 pm  #84


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radiokid wrote:

Global News at 6 on GNR isn't moving any audience to 640 either.. that's your recent local example.   

Forgot about that, so checked: 640 loses 25% of its share at 6pm, and the 6-7pm hour underperforms the station as a whole by almost half.
 


 
 

February 3, 2021 7:28 pm  #85


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paterson1 wrote:

Don't know if Jerry running anywhere else in the country.  But if he on any stations in western Canada he may well like it.  Gives him a chance to bash the liberals and Trudeau even more than his almost daily rants on 1010.  And a national audience maybe?  Jerry is likely well pleased and plotting the next move even as we speak.....https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons3/angry.png

Western Canada's private talk stations not owned by Corus (namely AM 1150 Kelowna, NL Radio Kamloops, and CJME/CKOM in Saskatchewan) all broadcast Corus shows including Charles Adler and Roy Green, and I'm not aware of any currently carrying Agar. Even AM 1150, which is owned by Bell, opts to carry Adler, simulcast with CKNW. Adler must be popular enough in Kelowna for Bell to allow a Global News-branded show there instead of a Bell-produced show.

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February 3, 2021 7:34 pm  #86


Re: Big Bell Bloodbath Hits Properties In Toronto - 210 Positions Cut

Alex Pierson led off her show on 640 by lamenting the layoffs at the competition. She admitted that it's unusual for one station competing with another to talk about the firings, but she felt she needed to speak out about "the continued death of local news." 

Kind of refreshing to see the veil drop. You know it's what everyone in the biz is talking about off mic. 

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February 3, 2021 8:15 pm  #87


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RadioActive wrote:

This doesn't really surprise me, given everything that happened this week.

Yeah. Jamil "re-introduced" his show at 7 pm tonight for the first 15 minutes or so, with the national re-configuration of it (and expansion to 3 hours, and its new slot); "This is who I am, welcome", "These are the topics I tackle", "All this and more on the first episode of The Jamil Jivani Show", etc.   I see 580 CFRA out of Ottawa is currently carrying it as well - maybe plans for other stations pending their own evening show cuts and/or website updates.

 

February 3, 2021 8:57 pm  #88


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A bit of confusion.  Were 210 let go in just Toronto?  Broadcast Dialogue in their story reads like it will be up to 210 jobs lost across the country by the end of the week.  This post's heading reads like it is Toronto that is losing 210 jobs.  
https://broadcastdialogue.com/bell-medias-200-job-cuts-go-against-commitment-to-local-news-says-unifor/

 

February 3, 2021 8:58 pm  #89


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Bell's death by a thousand cuts hit CFRA and other stations outside the GTA Wednesday.

Bell Media cuts hit CFRA Ottawa as weekend host Dahlia Kurtz confirms departure

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February 3, 2021 9:00 pm  #90


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paterson1 wrote:

A bit of confusion.  Were 210 let go in just Toronto?  Broadcast Dialogue in their story reads like it will be up to 210 jobs lost across the country by the end of the week.  This post's heading reads like it is Toronto that is losing 210 jobs.  
https://broadcastdialogue.com/bell-medias-200-job-cuts-go-against-commitment-to-local-news-says-unifor/

According to Cartt.ca

Cartt.ca has learned 210 positions will be cut in Toronto alone.

They are a fairly reliable source. 

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