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October 20, 2020 6:34 am  #31


Re: Where Do These Alternate Versions Of Hit Records Come From?

Lorne wrote:

The Gentrys version of Cinnamon Girl charted first on Billboard and got to #52, vs. #55 for Neil Young's. However, according to the CHUM Chart Book, only Neil Young's version charted on CHUM where it reached #7. Still, based on both versions charting on Billboard it might be possible to get Ashby to play them together, especially given that they would both qualify as Cancon. 

I definitely heard the Gentry's version on area radio and I don't remember hearing it on the radio here since . I looked for a CKFH chart from the period that the song may have charted but did not find one. What I did find on the internet is a CKOC chart with the song at # 13 from July 8, 1970:

CKOC CHART JULY 8, 1970

http://www.las-solanas.com/surveys/CKOC/CKOC_1970-07-08_1.jpg

 

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October 20, 2020 6:56 am  #32


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Great find ... I did wonder if the Gentrys version might have been played by another station in the area. It did make it onto a K-Tel album and so I know it from there, but I wasn't listening to CKOC yet when it was a hit there.

 

October 20, 2020 8:01 am  #33


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Lorne wrote:

Great find ... I did wonder if the Gentrys version might have been played by another station in the area. It did make it onto a K-Tel album and so I know it from there, but I wasn't listening to CKOC yet when it was a hit there.

Chalk this one up to "it's a small world" but when you mentioned K-Tel I vaguely recalled that I may have the song on that as well and sure enough I found it. Not sure if this is the same album that you have.

Speaking of different mixes unlike the YT clip I posted the K'Tel version is in stereo and here's is an audio clip from the scratchy album: C Girl Gentrys



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October 20, 2020 8:18 am  #34


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Yes, that's the album. It actually belonged to my sister ... I had tried doing a quick search to see if I could find it online, but I couldn't recall what the front cover looked like and I didn't feel like going through all the images that came up to see if I could find the right one. Appreciate you posting that.

 

October 20, 2020 8:35 am  #35


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Lorne wrote:

Yes, that's the album. It actually belonged to my sister ... I had tried doing a quick search to see if I could find it online, but I couldn't recall what the front cover looked like and I didn't feel like going through all the images that came up to see if I could find the right one. Appreciate you posting that.

I always wondered how the royalties for the songs on K-Tel records worked.  Their albums would sell hundreds of thousands of copies each, and really gave the songs on the album another sales life after the initial release.
 
Eventually K-Tel albums were also successful in the US and often still with a few secondary or cancon hits included.  Sometimes the LP's were the same which had already been marketed in Canada.  Wondered what the original record company, writers and artists received in any royalties from these mostly very successful albums.  Or did K-Tel pay them a flat fee?  Anybody know?

 

October 20, 2020 9:20 am  #36


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I remember seeing a CBC documentary about K-TEL where they talked about a few of their compilations where they would get as many as possible into the studio to re-record their hits making licensing easier and probably cheaper.

I also remember a number of these compilations were done through Columbia Special Products.  Basically Columbia packages it all together and probably offers a nice deal per copy.  I remember the Johnny cash special was done this way.

 

October 20, 2020 9:49 am  #37


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Peter the K wrote:

I remember seeing a CBC documentary about K-TEL where they talked about a few of their compilations where they would get as many as possible into the studio to re-record their hits making licensing easier and probably cheaper.

I also remember a number of these compilations were done through Columbia Special Products.  Basically Columbia packages it all together and probably offers a nice deal per copy.  I remember the Johnny cash special was done this way.

They were probably some re-recordings but the K Tel albums I  have appear to be true to the claim on the cover of "Original Hits, Original Stars."  Have not listened to any recently to verify though ( except the Gentrys track). The tracks are in stereo and that was a nice bonus as the 45's of same may not have been. Quality may have suffered on some as they crammed up to 24 tracks on one LP.

Edit: I found this on Wiki:

The company built the business of releasing compilation albums that combined material from a number of popular artists onto a single theme album using the tag line "20 Original Hits! 20 Original Stars!".[4] The company negotiated directly with artists and labels for the rights to reproduce their original recordings, in the process also securing a long-term asset through adding those recordings to their catalog.[16]

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October 20, 2020 9:58 am  #38


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This aired on Canadian TV a number of years ago, which is where I first saw it. It's quite entertaining and is narrated by SCTV's Dave Thomas, who did a wicked K-Tel ad satire in his day. 





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October 20, 2020 10:07 am  #39


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Peter the K wrote:

I remember seeing a CBC documentary about K-TEL where they talked about a few of their compilations where they would get as many as possible into the studio to re-record their hits making licensing easier and probably cheaper.

I also remember a number of these compilations were done through Columbia Special Products.  Basically Columbia packages it all together and probably offers a nice deal per copy.  I remember the Johnny cash special was done this way.

I guess there might have been some re-recording but most of the songs were the original versions.  I wonder if they actually meant that they re-recorded the original.  The quality on K-Tel products originally wasn't that great and they were not using the original masters of songs.  What we heard sounded like a copy or dub of the song.
 
I looked up in wiki and apparently K-Tel would negotiate directly with artists and record labels.  I would think that after some initial success of their albums, record labels and artists would be open to K-Tel using material since it did give songs a second life of popularity and more money for the artist and original label.
 
The fact that K-Tel did a lot of TV ads for these albums would be attractive too. Department stores like Eaton's, The Bay, Simpson-Sears, Canadian Tire, etc gave K-Tel product good visibility in their record departments as I recall. 

Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters praised K-Tel records with introducing him to music early in his life.  He was speaker at a SXSW conference and told the crowd the first album he ever purchased was in 1975 with K-Tel's Blockbuster compilation.  The album included Edgar Winter's Frankenstein, and Grohl said this was the song that changed his life and got him into music. 

How many of you bought a K-Tel album as your first LP purchase as a kid?  I believe mine was around 1968/69 with I think something called K-Tel's Power Hits...

 

October 20, 2020 10:12 am  #40


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I won a K-Tel album from Don Daynard at CKFH in 1967. Still have it.


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October 20, 2020 11:18 am  #41


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I had quite a few back in the day.  My impression was that the songs were originals,  but not the final versions that were released.  Sudden cut-offs,  shorter instrumental intros,  etc.

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October 20, 2020 11:55 am  #42


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Media Observer wrote:

I had quite a few back in the day.  My impression was that the songs were originals,  but not the final versions that were released.  Sudden cut-offs,  shorter instrumental intros,  etc.

Most of the songs on K-Tel were the same final version that was played on the radio.  Since K-Tel crammed so many songs on each album they would fade out long songs early, or possibly fade in a song that had a long introduction.
 
I remember Eric Clapton's Layla and A Foot In Cold Water Make Me Do Anything You Want were faded early in the K-Tel version but were both the same song that was on the radio. They likely didn't want selections to go over the 3 minute mark by very much.  On the first clip that RA posted one of the K-Tel people acknowledges that some of the songs were shortened but said most people didn't mind so much since they were getting 20 to 24 hits on one album by the original artists.  These albums were what, $2.99 and later $3.99 into the 80's.

There were other K-Tel like labels that actually would record versions of hit songs with session musicians and singers.  These usually didn't sell very well since it wasn't the real group or hit version of the song.

 

October 20, 2020 12:04 pm  #43


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The album cost was always good,  given the number of hits on each album.  I wasn't aware of the history you brought up that explains my recollections.  Appreciate the info.

 

October 20, 2020 3:23 pm  #44


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footnote: speaking of "the one hit wonders - the gentry's"... one of their members went on to make it big in the world of wrestling (as a manager).... the mouth of the south, jimmy hart.

 

October 20, 2020 3:55 pm  #45


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the original hank wrote:

footnote: speaking of "the one hit wonders - the gentry's"... one of their members went on to make it big in the world of wrestling (as a manager).... the mouth of the south, jimmy hart.

I was waiting for Grilled Cheese to bring that one up.
 


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October 20, 2020 6:59 pm  #46


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i don't think he used the megaphone in the band.

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October 21, 2020 10:19 am  #47


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the original hank wrote:

i host a weekly oldies show and original song/original artist is a must!

As just about everyone knows (posted here for the few who may be unaware), the Original Hank (no relation to Hank Williams, Hank Snow or Hank Aaron, is heard Wednesdays from noon to 2:00 on . . . 

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October 21, 2020 11:25 am  #48


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K-Tel offered good value for their records. Always just enough 'good' songs to make the purchase worthwhile. I still have several in my collection.

In addition to shortening some of the songs by even removing verses (think Charlie Daniels Uneasy Rider for one) they also used really fine grooves on the record to squeeze extra time out of it. But, boy those records were easy to scratch. I have a couple of releases that are in excellent condition and listening to them on a good turntable and headphones you can hear significant surface noise. They were never meant to be audiophile quality for sure.

Great memories.

 

October 21, 2020 11:41 am  #49


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geo wrote:

the original hank wrote:

i host a weekly oldies show and original song/original artist is a must!

As just about everyone knows (posted here for the few who may be unaware), the Original Hank (no relation to Hank Williams, Hank Snow or Hank Aaron, is heard Wednesdays from noon to 2:00 on . . . 

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thanks geo.. . and guess what gentrys' song will be featured on today's version of rusty's good time oldies...(along with their one hit)? btw, i also own that ktel album.


 

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October 21, 2020 12:40 pm  #50


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the original hank wrote:

  guess what gentrys' song will be featured on today's version of rusty's good time oldies 

I guessed it would be "Why Should I Cry" which charted on 1050 CHUM in 1970, rather than the one you played (not that there's anything wrong with that one) 

 

October 21, 2020 12:48 pm  #51


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i'm showing my u.s. roots. "keep on dancing" was top 10 on a number of u.s. (national) based charts (in 1960's/early '70's, wmex- boston, was my go-to radio station). the gentrys were unable to match that success despite releasing a few follow-up songs.
 

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October 21, 2020 12:52 pm  #52


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the original hank wrote:

i'm showing my u.s. roots. "keep on dancing" was top 10 on a number of u.s. (national)
based charts.
 

I belive Keep on Dancin was their biggest hit everywhere but I think the group should be considered  1.5 hit wonders b/c of their lesser hits. Like this one which I actually never heard at all until  the 80's. I bought the 45 after reading about it as a garage song which had charted on Billboard at # 50:






 

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October 21, 2020 12:57 pm  #53


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(as previously mentioned) even (the gentrys') "cinnamon girl" made it to #52 on billboard

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October 21, 2020 1:04 pm  #54


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To me, the Gentrys' greatest song ever was a non-hit - the B-side of Keep on Dancin'. It's called "Make Up Your Mind" and it's quickly become one of my favourite tunes of the 60s. To me, this should have been a double sided hit. 

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October 21, 2020 1:18 pm  #55


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...all that's missing is the garage...lol

 

October 21, 2020 2:11 pm  #56


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I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised by the amazing response to this thread. I almost didn't put it up because I didn't think it was entirely relevant or that anybody would care. Boy, did you guys prove me wrong!   

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October 21, 2020 3:34 pm  #57


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perhaps it's the rock/wrestling combo?...lol

 

October 21, 2020 4:48 pm  #58


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I found the first K- Tel album that was in our house. I loved that album b/c it was the first place we had recordings by The American Breed, Lemon Pipers and Tommy James. Looks like this was only the third album K-Tel had released.

I have also included scans of copy cat  albums. One of the ones pictured below is on the budget label Pickwick and it is British but I also have an American comp on the same label. The last album is actually a label comp ( Atco) with various artists. These albums had less tracks and were better quality than the K Tel sets. 

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October 21, 2020 6:32 pm  #59


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i used to purchase these types of albums for my brother as christmas presents. i was in my early teens and he was attending university (several miles away). for some reason, (unlike other records in his collection) he never took these albums with him to school...lol.

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October 24, 2020 6:16 pm  #60


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It happened again. The very first song played on Ashby's Oldies Show this weekend was "The Look of Love" by Lesley Gore, a great tune. But once again, not the original. It was definitely Gore but not the one on the radio in the 60s. 

Here's another possible guess about this reoccurring phenomenon. The show is in stereo. Many of those early 45s weren't. So in order to have a two speaker version, they dig up an album that has the stereo cut - but it's not the one all of the listeners remember. I'd rather hear 2 and half minutes in glorious mono than some kind of remake that just sounds weird. 

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