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The scoop:
102.9 and 97.7 are swapping frequencies, except CKTB will take over the 102.9 half (using 97.7's HD) while 97.7's Rock format moves to 105.7 as "The Monkey", who's HD2 will feed 610AM so The Monkey can simulcast, except at night, when 610 breaks and becomes paid-time Punjabi (brokered by Rock 95 Barrie.) Meanwhile, 102.9 (formerly 97.7) will target Toronto as K-LOVE, while K-LOVE gives Whiteoaks 102.5 so they can run Cancon-free Classic Country.
Hard to follow this. First you say CKTB is moving to 102.9, then it's becoming 102.5?
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The takover Is toromoro or sometime this weak.
Here's why.
I was listening to 105.7 both the stream and on the radio and there was music with no station ids saying move 105.7.
That also might have bean one of bell's usiual gliches.
Lets sea and hear what happens.
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The scoop:
102.9 and 97.7 are swapping frequencies, except CKTB will take over the 102.9 half (using 97.7's HD) while 97.7's Rock format moves to 105.7 as "The Monkey", who's HD2 will feed 610AM so The Monkey can simulcast, except at night, when 610 breaks and becomes paid-time Punjabi (brokered by Rock 95 Barrie.) Meanwhile, 102.9 (formerly 97.7) will target Toronto as K-LOVE, while K-LOVE gives Whiteoaks 102.5 so they can run Cancon-free Classic Country.Bravo! Someone keeps obnoxiously asking for details and leaks, here's what you get. Calm yourself. The takeover will happen when it happens. It's seriously annoying every other post asks for who has details. The answer: No one on here.
I love finding out about format changes, station launches and station sales.
I ceep asking because this takover is stranger than when durham and mybroadcasting took over.
Leaks went out faster.
Nothing leaked with Durham or MY. It was just obvious guesses.
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The takover Is toromoro or sometime this weak.
Here's why.
I was listening to 105.7 both the stream and on the radio and there was music with no station ids saying move 105.7.
That also might have bean one of bell's usiual gliches.
Lets sea and hear what happens.
Move 105.7 station id aired just now.
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The takover Is toromoro or sometime this weak.
Here's why.
I was listening to 105.7 both the stream and on the radio and there was music with no station ids saying move 105.7.
That also might have bean one of bell's usiual gliches.
Lets sea and hear what happens.Move 105.7 station id aired just now.
Then I think it was a bell glich because there was I think 3 to 4 songs played with out the move IDs then comurcials then a move ID then a song.
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Re: brand speculations and rumours for 102.9 and 105.7
The takover Is toromoro or sometime this weak.
Here's why.
I was listening to 105.7 both the stream and on the radio and there was music with no station ids saying move 105.7.
That also might have bean one of bell's usiual gliches.
Lets sea and hear what happens.Move 105.7 station id aired just now.
Then I think it was a bell glich because there was I think 3 to 4 songs played with out the move IDs then comurcials then a move ID then a song.
That means a voicetrack didn't make it to air.
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Move 105.7 station id aired just now.
Then I think it was a bell glich because there was I think 3 to 4 songs played with out the move IDs then comurcials then a move ID then a song.
That means a voicetrack didn't make it to air.
That's how you know bell's ready to give up.
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Then I think it was a bell glich because there was I think 3 to 4 songs played with out the move IDs then comurcials then a move ID then a song.That means a voicetrack didn't make it to air.
That's how you know bell's ready to give up.
Or an individual made a mistake.
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That means a voicetrack didn't make it to air.
That's how you know bell's ready to give up.
Or an individual made a mistake.
Get on it! whiteoaks!
Just takover allready!
Out of all our ethnic broadcasters even thogh I don't understand any of the languages, Whiteoaks is doing the best job with cjmr by having mostly localy baced talk programs in punjabi.
Chin used to be the gold standard for programing, but its going downhill with 1540 being mostly all italian breaking more ethnic policy rules and not surving the correct amount of languages, 91.9's south asian programs being 1 big long block of adds with news and music and 100.7 cutting down languages and adding more muslim programs instead of surving smaller ethnic groups like Chin was known for.
And don't get me started about CIRV, its mostly leftests and entertainment shows.
And cina and cham, breaking ethnic policy rules behind the crtc's back. and CMR? they want to become an all bollywood and tamil station.
Saterdays after 10:30 am are now all tamil with no other language untill sonday morning.
But cmr is still trying to follow the rules and there south asian programs exept for radio voice are more program, less add.
I'mm talking mostly about south asian because they sometimes insert english words into there programs and adds and most of cham's talk is in english but only surving punjabi communities and speakers and no other ethnic groups.
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That means a voicetrack didn't make it to air.That's how you know bell's ready to give up.
Or an individual made a mistake.
Mistake or Technical issue... Listener will notice ZERO... I really don't think this moment was noticed by a single listener other than "Radio" people. Whiteoaks seems to be wanting to do things right and really has to start from square one with most of these stations because they don't own others to fall back on to build from. They have been running an AM multicultural and an AM brokered religious station. Both are not operating the same as traditional commercial stations and won't have staff ready to jump in and go. Bell has left these stations running form other markets mostly. It takes time and likely Whiteoaks wants to do it right without it being shocking to the listener. I suspect the only formats that may be changed will be the two they have to change brand names. I also doubt they will bring back EZ Rock or K-Lite.... such a dated name in today's world. Whatever they do... it won't be what or how bell is doing it today.
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Hopefully, they'll leave Karl Dockstader and his producer Ryan Williams alone on early Sunday mornings over CKTB. Not only is it one of the few live talk shows at that time, (starting at 6 AM) it's extremely entertaining. They talk about absolutely nothing and go off on tangents, yet somehow it's hilarious. I'd really miss their show if it were to disappear.
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I doubt very much that Whiteoaks would bring K-Lite back to 102.9 as they've been doing well with classic hits on Bounce. Likely the name change will be the only major difference listeners will hear.
IMO, Corus really missed the boat by not going back to classic hits on 95.3. Trying to pass themselves off as a Toronto station in a market glutted by CHR/Adult CHR/Hot AC (or whatever it is they're doing) seemed like a non-starter right from the get-go.
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ClassicHitsOnline.com...Classic hits done right!
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I doubt very much that Whiteoaks would bring K-Lite back to 102.9 as they've been doing well with classic hits on Bounce. Likely the name change will be the only major difference listeners will hear.
IMO, Corus really missed the boat by not going back to classic hits on 95.3. Trying to pass themselves off as a Toronto station in a market glutted by CHR/Adult CHR/Hot AC (or whatever it is they're doing) seemed like a non-starter right from the get-go.
PJ
Yes also doubt the return of K-Lite since there is now Lite out of Brantford which covers Hamilton, Halton and into Niagara. Corus missed the boat on many things but definitely with 95.3-they had a fantastic format when they were "Vinyl"!
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IMO, Corus really missed the boat by not going back to classic hits on 95.3. Trying to pass themselves off as a Toronto station in a market glutted by CHR/Adult CHR/Hot AC (or whatever it is they're doing) seemed like a non-starter right from the get-go.
PJ
The whole point of that was thinking the recently purged Virgin morning show (Tucker and Maura) was enough of a draw to build a station around. And while they did get some decent ratings in the morning, it all went away after 9, for the reason you pointed out.
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Hamilton has room for two radio stations, total. Currently, that's KX and Bounce.
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That's how you know bell's ready to give up.
Or an individual made a mistake.
Mistake or Technical issue... Listener will notice ZERO... I really don't think this moment was noticed by a single listener other than "Radio" people. Whiteoaks seems to be wanting to do things right and really has to start from square one with most of these stations because they don't own others to fall back on to build from. They have been running an AM multicultural and an AM brokered religious station. Both are not operating the same as traditional commercial stations and won't have staff ready to jump in and go. Bell has left these stations running form other markets mostly. It takes time and likely Whiteoaks wants to do it right without it being shocking to the listener. I suspect the only formats that may be changed will be the two they have to change brand names. I also doubt they will bring back EZ Rock or K-Lite.... such a dated name in today's world. Whatever they do... it won't be what or how bell is doing it today.
Right about that.
As a radio person myself, I notis small things like that and get very excited thinking its a brand change or format change and I listen for teezers.
And, I think whiteoaks wants to do a better job than neeti's doing with CKOC.
CKOC is running more like a streaming playlist and less like a real radio station with community.
Chin was better off bying CKOC and CHAM.
With high-power signals, CHIN would have close to 40 languages on CKOC or CHAM what ever one they want to make ethnic.
And CKOC would be a full-survice station with ethnic programs.
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CKOC is fine the way it is.
Go listen to 1220 then come back to CKOC.
1220 is more of a mess. At least CKOC has a morning and afternoon drive show and a decent format structure.
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I doubt very much that Whiteoaks would bring K-Lite back to 102.9 as they've been doing well with classic hits on Bounce. Likely the name change will be the only major difference listeners will hear.
IMO, Corus really missed the boat by not going back to classic hits on 95.3. Trying to pass themselves off as a Toronto station in a market glutted by CHR/Adult CHR/Hot AC (or whatever it is they're doing) seemed like a non-starter right from the get-go.
PJ
Look at 95.3 today after Tucker and Maura left. They simulcast the morning show from 91.5 The Beat Kitchener just like Virgin 105.3 airs the morning show from London. Also look at Y108 they air the Taz & Jim show from FM96 in London just like Dave Rocks in Kitchener as well. I don’t know how well Y108 or Energy 95.3 does without any local on-air talent but you can say that Y108 might do okay since they are the new home of the Hamilton Ti-Cats football games since 900 CHML shut down last year.
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CKOC is fine the way it is.
Go listen to 1220 then come back to CKOC.
1220 is more of a mess. At least CKOC has a morning and afternoon drive show and a decent format structure.
There both a mess.
They nead more anowncers, local talk shows, news and weakend specialty shows.
Be more like zoomer, guys
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CKOC is fine the way it is.
Go listen to 1220 then come back to CKOC.
1220 is more of a mess. At least CKOC has a morning and afternoon drive show and a decent format structure.There both a mess.
They nead more anowncers, local talk shows, news and weakend specialty shows.
Be more like zoomer, guys
That’s impossible. The revenue to pay for such things simply doesn’t exist in the market.
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CKOC is fine the way it is.
Go listen to 1220 then come back to CKOC.
1220 is more of a mess. At least CKOC has a morning and afternoon drive show and a decent format structure.There both a mess.
They nead more anowncers, local talk shows, news and weakend specialty shows.
Be more like zoomer, guysThat’s impossible. The revenue to pay for such things simply doesn’t exist in the market.
Then how does zoomer do it and still do good and keep quality?
Zoomer has lots of adds and most of there programing is hosted.
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There both a mess.
They nead more anowncers, local talk shows, news and weakend specialty shows.
Be more like zoomer, guysThat’s impossible. The revenue to pay for such things simply doesn’t exist in the market.
Then how does zoomer do it and still do good and keep quality?
Zoomer has lots of adds and most of there programing is hosted.
Much more revenue potential in Toronto.
Also, Zoomer loses money. Moses keeps it going for some reason. (The reason: ego)
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There both a mess.
They nead more anowncers, local talk shows, news and weakend specialty shows.
Be more like zoomer, guysThat’s impossible. The revenue to pay for such things simply doesn’t exist in the market.
Then how does zoomer do it and still do good and keep quality?
Zoomer has lots of adds and most of there programing is hosted.
MZ's radio stations lose money, his TV properties make money due to regulations requiring subscriber fees, and none of his assets have an audience except for BlogTO....
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Aaron... still not understanding your theory about Hamilton
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Aaron... still not understanding your theory about Hamilton
Dude…
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The better question is whether or not Big 820 is on the air legally? Do they indeed have a legal multicultural broadcast licence? I don't recall that being granted...
There is a contradiction in the Ethnic Broadcasting definition which creates a huge loophole:
Definition of ethnic programming:
9. The Commission has determined that the current ethnic programming definitions should be simplified and defines an ethnic program as follows: An ethnic program is one, in any language, that is specifically directed to any culturally or racially distinct group other than one that is Aboriginal Canadian or from France or the British Isles.
10. Ethnic programming may be in English, French, a third-language or a combination of languages. It also includes cross-cultural programming provided, once again, that it is specifically directed to any culturally or racially distinct group other than one that is Aboriginal Canadian or from France or the British Isles.
12. For radio, the spoken word component of the program determines the ethnic group being served.
Exclusions
14. For radio, the Commission will continue to exclude music, advertising, station contests, and community and emergency messages when determining whether a particular program qualifies as ethnic programming.
15. The Commission will, however, continue to count such excluded material in the calculation of the duration of an ethnic program in which it is found.
So it appears that playing all-Punjabi music all the time is excluded under paragraph 14, as is any advertising. Just don't have any spoken word component, in any language, that is ethnic???
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The better question is whether or not Big 820 is on the air legally? Do they indeed have a legal multicultural broadcast licence? I don't recall that being granted...
There is a contradiction in the Ethnic Broadcasting definition which creates a huge loophole:
Definition of ethnic programming:
9. The Commission has determined that the current ethnic programming definitions should be simplified and defines an ethnic program as follows: An ethnic program is one, in any language, that is specifically directed to any culturally or racially distinct group other than one that is Aboriginal Canadian or from France or the British Isles.
10. Ethnic programming may be in English, French, a third-language or a combination of languages. It also includes cross-cultural programming provided, once again, that it is specifically directed to any culturally or racially distinct group other than one that is Aboriginal Canadian or from France or the British Isles.
12. For radio, the spoken word component of the program determines the ethnic group being served.
Exclusions
14. For radio, the Commission will continue to exclude music, advertising, station contests, and community and emergency messages when determining whether a particular program qualifies as ethnic programming.
15. The Commission will, however, continue to count such excluded material in the calculation of the duration of an ethnic program in which it is found.
So it appears that playing all-Punjabi music all the time is excluded under paragraph 14, as is any advertising. Just don't have any spoken word component, in any language, that is ethnic???
They only have there morning and afternoon shows fully in punjabi exept for station ids.
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Aaron... still not understanding your theory about Hamilton
Dude…
This has quickly become my favourite SOWNY thread of all time.
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Aaron... still not understanding your theory about Hamilton
Dude…
They have no clue what they're doing, so it wasn't entirely far fetched! Haha
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Aaron... still not understanding your theory about Hamilton
Dude…
They have no clue what they're doing, so it wasn't entirely far fetched! Haha
They might do what cina did.
Promis to keep the formats the same but one of the new stations goes ethnic.
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