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Re: It's Bell Let's Talk Day. How Long Until The Layoffs Start?
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Well, for the purposes of this site, those other companies don't run radio stations across the country. And it's also not their first series of layoffs. Last February, they chopped an astounding 4,800 jobs. That number is not something you often see with any firm in Canada. And there were more to come.
So seen in sum, it does draw attention.
My point stands, 98 isn't very many. What you're referring to was last year, and once again you're being very misleading. BCE cut 4,800 positions (not even filled positions in many cases) from their company as a whole, not just media. This is the first mass layoff since that one last winter. As mentioned, the media likes to report on itself and I'm tired of the special treatment for media as if other Canadians don't matter. You barely heard about the 1500 jobs cut at Suncore, the 1200 at OpenText or the 3800 at Canada Immigration. Can you even name one substantial negative change that has happened on a Bell owned radio station since these "4,800" jobs were cut last year? Give me a break...... those that got laid off get a golden ticket as far as I'm concerned....... the industry is dying and there's nothing that can be done to save it, and as Aaron mentioned they get a very good severance package which they can use to train themselves into an in-demand job.
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Well, for the purposes of this site, those other companies don't run radio stations across the country. And it's also not their first series of layoffs. Last February, they chopped an astounding 4,800 jobs. That number is not something you often see with any firm in Canada. And there were more to come.
So seen in sum, it does draw attention.My point stands, 98 isn't very many. What you're referring to was last year, and once again you're being very misleading. BCE cut 4,800 positions (not even filled positions in many cases) from their company as a whole, not just media. This is the first mass layoff since that one last winter. As mentioned, the media likes to report on itself and I'm tired of the special treatment for media as if other Canadians don't matter. You barely heard about the 1500 jobs cut at Suncore, the 1200 at OpenText or the 3800 at Canada Immigration. Can you even name one substantial negative change that has happened on a Bell owned radio station since these "4,800" jobs were cut last year? Give me a break...... those that got laid off get a golden ticket as far as I'm concerned....... the industry is dying and there's nothing that can be done to save it, and as Aaron mentioned they get a very good severance package which they can use to train themselves into an in-demand job.
This isn't a board dedicated to what Suncore or OpenText does. It's about local radio and the industry in general. And Bell owns a lot of the stations we discuss here.
You want one "substantial change" since those cuts? How about the decimation of the once vaunted CFRB newsroom, now reduced to almost nothing. When the guy who that figurative "room" was dedicated to, Dave Agar, asks that his name be taken off the door and the honour cancelled because he's so disgusted by the owner's actions, that speaks volumes.
How about the sale of so many stations at once, even letting some go dark, and the subsequent loss to the communities they were licenced to serve?
How about a company saying radio has no future, while continuing to destroy the ones they still own, with fewer and fewer people employed there and the programming vastly reduced and inferior to what it once was?
I could go on, but you only wanted one substantial change. I would suggest there are a lot more than that.
Some on this thread were complaining about a lack of response from Bell customer service. Cutting more people only ensures they'll get even less of it in the near future.
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In fairness RA, you ignored torontostan and my point that Bell Media didn't let 4,800 employees go. For over a year now you continue to try and leave the impression that all of the cutbacks were from radio and television when that was not true. Bell Media has around 5,000 employees, so it would be impossible to cut 4,800.
Also torontostan makes the point that many of the 4,800 positions that BCE included were jobs that were vacant or had never been filled. The number included some individuals that were up for retirement and jobs that wouldn't be replaced when they left the company through attrition. This happens in business all the time.
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It really doesn't matter what division they were all from. But at least some were with their broadcast properties. A company that cuts 4,800 people in a single day, week or month (and I doubt all 4,800 were from unfilled positions!) isn't a very reliable one. It's not like they're having a tag day or are near bankruptcy.
A pox on all their divisions. They are an irresponsible and greedy corporate entity who could care less about their employees - or their customers. They have demonstrated this over and over again. Which is why I will never do business with them ever again.
And I hope one day, they know for whom the Bell tolls.
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You want one "substantial change" since those cuts? How about the decimation of the once vaunted CFRB newsroom, now reduced to almost nothing.
This was not part of the 4,800 last year, it was years ago...... I asked about this particular round you keep harping on about.
How about the sale of so many stations at once, even letting some go dark, and the subsequent loss to the communities they were licenced to serve?
Zero jobs were lost because of the sale of the stations, and you happened to applaud the future ownership in the past. You can't have it both ways. As for the stations that went dark.... nobody listened to them, and nobody worked there, what's the fuss if bloomberg radio vancouver goes silent? As someone familiar with this medium, I can assure you they had single digit listeners for much of the day....
How about a company saying radio has no future, while continuing to destroy the ones they still own, with fewer and fewer people employed there and the programming vastly reduced and inferior to what it once was?
This is the entire industry.... and again has barely any correlation to the 4,800 "media jobs" you complain about. You're living in a fantasy world if you think broadcasting garners the same interest & revenue that it did even 15 years ago.