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Sat Oct 7 8:00 pm  #1


Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

Some here will recall the skepticism that greeted the call by the Evanovs for a power boost to make either Pride-FM or Z103.5 a stronger station in the GTA. Now another relative newcomer to the dial is complaining that no one can hear them. This time, it’s CIND-FM, the station that replaced the old CKLN at 88.1.
 
According to an application filed with the CRTC last week, the owners - Rock 95 Broadcasting - are complaining that all the concrete and steel from the built-up downtown core is killing their signal and that outlying areas north of Highway 7 and in Mississauga near the airport can’t get them clearly enough to listen.
 
And apparently it’s not just all those darn buildings. “For in-vehicle use, we estimate that the signal is unusable for approximately 16% of the total CMA Population,” they argue. And that’s why they want a power boost – even though they’d already been granted one in the past.  
 
Right now, Indie 88 is at 2,100 watts with an ERP of around 4,000. They want it boosted to 4,700 watts which would effectively take it to 13,000. They say they would have asked for more before, but a station in Erin, Ont. – that’s now moved – stopped them.
 
And they warn their financial plan, which was to start turning a profit in Year 3, is in ruins..“…we anticipate that with our current ratings we will be in a loss position for at least the next three years.”  But they believe they could boost profits by at least $1 million if the Commission gives them what they want.
 
And they conclude with this terrific work of fiction. “Although we are an experienced broadcaster, prior to licensing, we did not have experience in large markets. We simply did not foresee the full impact of a marginal signal, nor did we forecast the huge technical and financial disadvantages this places upon our operation.”
   
Here we go again. The station owners presumably knew or should have known about all the propagation problems when they applied for the licence. But suddenly that’s no longer good enough. They’re also reminding the CRTC that they’re a haven for new Canadian talent and how would it look if they weren’t able to provide that?  
 
This is the same kind of blackmail AM 740 used to get their FM repeater at 96.7, threatening to shut the entire station down if they weren’t given the new signal because after all, no one could get 740 - one of the strongest signals in North America.

Now Indie 88.1 wants special consideration, too. I’m sorry for the folks at CIND but despite their ridiculous protestations that “they didn’t know what they were getting into in a large market,” this is just another attempt to change the rules once the game has begun.
 
I’ll be curious to see what the interventions look like and if the CRTC will give into it again. 

Last edited by RadioActive (Sun Oct 8 9:45 am)

 

Sat Oct 7 9:50 pm  #2


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

Wow, after reading the quotes, I now know what radio business speak is for "the dog ate my homework."

The station is pretty damn good to listen to at times.

Seems like money-wise, they, to quote Maxwell Smart, "Missed it by that much..."

 

Sun Oct 8 1:01 am  #3


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

RadioActive wrote:

Some here will recall the skepticism that greeted the call by the Evanovs for a power boost to make either Pride-FM or Hitz-FM a stronger station in the GTA. Now another relative newcomer to the dial is complaining that no one can hear them. This time, it’s CIND-FM, the station that replaced the old CKLN at 88.1.
 

When did Z103 switch back to being Hitz 103? 
 

Last edited by Radiowiz (Sun Oct 8 1:29 am)

 

Sun Oct 8 9:43 am  #4


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

That's what I get for watching that Star Trek time travel episode before posting. As they say in the biz, we'll fix it in editing.

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Sun Oct 8 1:07 pm  #5


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

I tend to agree with their request...I find it hard to get a clear reception north of HWY 7...but one thing that struck me was how financially viable is a "one-off" radio station like this in a major market, filled with big conglomerates?

Bhell, Rogers, Corus have control of multiple radio stations, heck even Evanov group owns 4 properties on the GTA...I'd imagine for a small independent station like this, it would be a struggle, based on that, I'd give them the increase in signal strength!

Good post by the way...thanks!


 


The world would be so good if it weren't for some people...
 

Sun Oct 8 2:42 pm  #6


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

 Radiowiz wrote:
When did Z103 switch back to being Hitz 103? 

Were they ever Hits 103? I remember Hot 103. Was it Hits 103 between Hot 103 and Z103. Why did they use "Z" with the American pronunciation? Trying to copy New York's Z100 - which actually has "Z" in their call letters? C103 I could understand. And I actually remember when they made the big switch from whatever they were before to Z103-big fanfare and promotion, but nothing else changed.

And, of course, there is a Hits-FM - 97-7 HTZ-FM.
 

 

Sun Oct 8 3:42 pm  #7


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

So Radioactive, since you've got a very strong opinion about CIND's power increase, are you going to bother to make your views known to the regulator, or are you just going to complain on this board?

 

Sun Oct 8 4:34 pm  #8


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

REGULATE THE REGULATORS

Radioactive's underlying "view" as you put it, is valid; namely that some broadcasters regularly make promises to regulators that they don't intend to keep & eventually come cap in hand for "relief".    They have been getting away w. it and s/b admired for their ongoing chutzpah.   

Perhaps complaints s/b HAND DELIVERED up to whoever the regulators themselves report. 

 

Last edited by geo (Sun Oct 8 4:35 pm)

 

Sun Oct 8 7:17 pm  #9


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

wait what? Indie88 knew what they were signing up for when they got the licence.  Crying poor now speaks to their lack of business plan when they applied in the first place.

 

Sun Oct 8 7:32 pm  #10


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

I obviously agree with both both geo and splunge. The new theory seems to be "just do or say whatever you have to to get the licence and worry about the rest down the road."

It worked for AM 740.

It worked for CHIN, which now uses its 91.9 FM repeater (which was supposed to be reproducing its AM signal on 1540) to air separate programming there during the daytime. That means it effectively has three stations in Toronto, two on FM and all called "CHIN." (How does that work call letter-wise, exactly?)

Now Evanov/Dufferin Communications is doing the same thing and so is Indie 88.1.

Where does it stop? If you agreed to it in your licence, then stop whining later on that you can't make it. If I take out a car loan knowing I can't possibly keep up with the payments, guess what? They take the car away from me. That's business and I knew what the deal was going in. Or at least I should have.

And as for tvguy's suggestion that I make an intervention myself, I suppose I could, if I didn't feel it would totally be in vain and a complete waste of time. Since when has the Commission EVER listened to a sole representative of the public who has no vested interest in the outcome or arguing solely from a moral standpoint? Unless you're Rogers, Bell or one of the bigger players, your complaint is placed in the file that starts with "G" and ends in "garbage." 

Still, part of the filing rules requires all of them - including the above noted Big Two, along with Corus, Zoomer, Newcap, Durham Radio, and Evanov - to be notified of the request. I'm quite sure they will have quite a bit to say about the idea themselves.

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Sun Oct 8 8:09 pm  #11


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

@ radioactive.  The very reason the CRTC doesn't appear to listen to private letters is because they believe the individual listener/citizen does not care enough to bother writing a thoughtful and informed letter.  Don't just use the CRTC online form, but put it on letterhead, or in a word/pdf.

Get involved if you believe strongly enough.   You've proven yourself knowledgeable around these parts, so go for it.  If no one speaks up, we get Trump.....

 

Sun Oct 8 8:24 pm  #12


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

Storm wrote:

 
Were they ever Hits 103?
And, of course, there is a Hits-FM - 97-7 HTZ-FM.
 

Yes they were. Did you know they were also once known as DC 103five back in their AC days?
They went from being DC 103five to being Hot 103, then Hits 103 and lastly, Zeeee 103. (or Zee One oh 3 five)

Hitz fm 97.7 was a good reason for the change to Z 103. 

While it might be that Zee one oh three is possibly a way to simulate the American Zee, keep on mind another good reason is because there was already a Zed 97 point three in the Toronto market (long gone).
Their thinking may have been not to make people think that they are them...

Last edited by Radiowiz (Sun Oct 8 8:31 pm)

 

Mon Oct 9 3:08 pm  #13


Re: Indie 88.1 The Latest To Complain It Needs A Power Boost - Or Else

RadioActive wrote:

I obviously agree with both both geo and splunge. The new theory seems to be "just do or say whatever you have to to get the licence and worry about the rest down the road."

It worked for AM 740.

It worked for CHIN, which now uses its 91.9 FM repeater (which was supposed to be reproducing its AM signal on 1540) to air separate programming there during the daytime. That means it effectively has three stations in Toronto, two on FM and all called "CHIN." (How does that work call letter-wise, exactly?)

Now Evanov/Dufferin Communications is doing the same thing and so is Indie 88.1.

This is pretty different; it doesn't change the city of license, it just increases the signal within it. And this request follows an actual change of circumstance - another station vacated the frequency making an increase possible. Why wouldn't they ask?